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Good to see you're still around Harlequin - MansonWiki Admin 19:55, 10 August 2012 (CEST)

Hi, thanks :-D (scarshock 01:33, 11 August 2012 (CEST))


I just saw your contributions, and felt it earned a bit more than an automated welcome message :) Thanks for the contributions, it's really appreciated! Don't forget to check out the forums also. By the way, do you happen to be dutch? Litso 22:23, 27 April 2009 (UTC)

Hi, Litso! :) Thank you for regards. :) I'm very happy to help you and this wiki on any topics related to Manson (sure, if I can; especially topics related to Manson's live performances). :) Also I'm sorry for my bad English. Vixen Windstorm always corrects me and makes my «hints» clearer. ))))) By the way, thank you very much, Vixen! ;) <...By the way, do you happen to be dutch?...> No, I'm Ukrainian. :) (scarshock 22:52, 27 April 2009 (UTC))
Yeah, I'm a perfectionist like that ;P Alden Weston 00:15, 28 April 2009 (UTC)

Just another question.. where do you get all this setlist information? :) Litso 23:50, 28 April 2009 (UTC)

I knew that someone will ask this. ))) I downloaded a lot of live bootlegs from (and some older Seven's sites; unfortunately the site does not share any lives now :( ). This site became my main source of lives and information on them. Sometimes the recordings don't represent the setlist correctly, so I can be wrong if I present such recordings. Though sometimes I fix my recordings looking to your Wiki. ))) Also I would like to note that Vixen's and my live performance articles almost (e.g. Vixen sometimes doesn't note Sweet Dreams outros :) ) match to prove the setlists. :) (scarshock 00:04, 29 April 2009 (UTC))
Nice work. I've been doing the same for a few older dates, but I never really took the time to do all of them. Glad someone finally found time and energy to do so :) -Litso
Thank you very much, Litso. :) I'm always glad to help you. :) (scarshock 11:31, 29 April 2009 (UTC))

*** =[edit]

Hi, is it you? M1shael 17:16, 3 December 2009 (UTC)

Yes, it's my profile. :) (scarshock 18:26, 3 December 2009 (UTC))

Family Values[edit]

I saw you created the page about Family Values bootleg, but I think the tracklist you wrote is fake, because:

  1. Smells Like Children was released in 1995 and you wrote that the bootleg was released in 1994 and that's impossible =)
  2. I found the back cover 100px and as you can see, the tracklist isn't the same.

So I think we should fix the tracklist and the year ;) I4ig0 21:16, 8 December 2009 (UTC)

Hm, I guess I'm wrong too, but I'm not sure whether the tracklist is fake in fact though you've provided the scan. Is it possible that the tracklist is correct but I've just misdated the release (also take a look at the date at the scan - it's 1996 O_o)? I consider, we could make alternative sections and leave the article unedited until the tracklist and the date become known. Also I just want to say that two different bootlegs exist but just under the same title. Who knows. )) (scarshock 21:26, 8 December 2009 (UTC))
Well, Spirit of Metal provides the setlist, that you put ,but go to -> Manson Audio -> 1989 - 1996 -> Victoria 06-06-96, the front cover is exactly the same but the tracklist is different... So much confusion =)) I4ig0 22:00, 8 December 2009 (UTC)
Oh, I'm serious. Let's indicate both variants at the same page, and make the readers confused until we'll know the truth? :) (scarshock 22:29, 8 December 2009 (UTC))

Note By [g]S regarding The Nacht & Babalon[edit]

In Case anyone was unaware, Nick Kushner and the Nachtkabarett have taken over ownership of MansonWiki. Nick has appointed myself, [god]speed and <me> as administrators of Mansonwiki. We are going to be linking the Nacht and Babalon for further research. THEOL tour threads ALL contain Youtube as well as photos.

Thank You [g]S

Ok, thank you for clarification. (scarshock 15:58, 11 December 2009 (UTC))
No problem Nice to meet you, I am Aaron and <me>'s name is Jen.
I would like to introduce my real name too, but I'm afraid I don't know the correct English spelling. :D Nice to meet you too. :) (scarshock 16:14, 11 December 2009 (UTC))

New Leadership ETC[edit]

hey Scarshock i have only been a member for a few months and just a few days a member of Babalon and i have come to the conclusion you are high up in this business so i was wondering if you could inform me about "the future of Mansonwiki" which i have only just heard about? all i know is Listo wants to leave and leave others incharge... so can you Elaborate on this whole topic , for me please --SPECTRE-01 17:56, 11 December 2009 (UTC)

Hello, SPECTRE-01. Sure, I would like to help you on this if I could. What I mean: I'm not in MansonWiki administrative business at all, so I even don't know the news of the wiki until someone clarifies them to me. Moreover. I'm just a one of numerous MansonWiki editors indeed, and I just try to keep it shapely and holistic (in my vision, sure, though we always can decide disputable issues). As you could see, I didn't know anything about Litso's decision, but I remember, a long time ago he said he just tired and he has his own business. Vixen Windstorm said the same. It's sad because these guys created this resource and set up it very high and highly informative at least for me. Second, it's somewhat strange of to hear that MansonWiki is experiencing somehow hard times as far as I can see. O_o Though, you know... I can't understand why do we need any new leaders if we've got a lot of good editors that keep this place clean (M1shael, Yawaraey, I4igo, Lagozzino and other great guys). It seems to be enough. Maybe, I've missed some important things you wanted to say because of my not so good English, so sorry. (scarshock 19:00, 11 December 2009 (UTC))

ok thanks , i get most of it now --SPECTRE-01 22:53, 11 December 2009 (UTC)

Capitalization of Titles[edit]

Capitalization in titles [god]speed 08:36, 2 May 2010

Emmm... If you leave a link, so leave a link or/and just a short quote referred by the link please. Especially, always specify the reason of the link providing (it's just a good tradition): fortunately I remember my last edits, and I track all wiki recent changes via my RSS-aggregator, so if you rename a page according to English capitalization rules (or any other reasons), I can always track it without unformatted/unshaped notifications you did not provide to anyone but me here. You'd better provide the link to everyone who uses "Aaaa Aaaa Aaaa"-styled titles anyway. However I do not need my page to be littered in such way because it was not politely from you. Thank you for understanding. (scarshock 09:28, 2 May 2010 (UTC))


Поздравляю с повышением! (: --M1shael 12:49, 21 October 2010 (UTC)

Спасибо. )) Но я пока только рассматриваю предложение команды MansonWiki. (scarshock 18:32, 21 October 2010 (UTC))
Что за предложение?) --M1shael 18:34, 21 October 2010 (UTC)
В основном, технически совершенствовать сайт. (scarshock 18:42, 21 October 2010 (UTC))
Очень надеюсь, что ты присоеденишься к ммвики. --M1shael 18:57, 21 October 2010 (UTC)


hey i've read your message about the bold thing...i don't know, i can change this, but now i've modified so many pages with this bold style for the duties so there's a lot of work to do. and about the template, can you help me with that? i'm not that expert. (MAFF'L (talk) 23:12, 5 December 2013 (CET))

hi. don't worry, that was a lot of work. the template should not be that hard or advanced, i hope (you can refer to any tour/song/etc template to learn more). the only issue with template i see is that i don't know yet how to compose multiple duties per a person in an efficient and good way so no duty could be repeated. so the lineup template is just an idea at the moment. i have to think of it as well. (scarshock (talk) 23:42, 5 December 2013 (CET))
ok, ok...should i continue the work with the tours or should i stop to let you think about these things? (MAFF'L (talk) 16:00, 6 December 2013 (CET))
if it's not tedious for you, please go ahead :) (scarshock (talk) 15:58, 6 December 2013 (CET))
don't worry, for me it's a pleasure, i love to make better this wiki ;) (MAFF'L (talk) 16:00, 6 December 2013 (CET))

MAFF'L Talk[edit]

Hello, Scarshock. I went to MAFF'L's page to discuss the bolding of the Lineup sections on the tour pages and noticed you had also mentioned it to him. We decided that it looks better how it was done in the beginning with the format being Person/function unbolded and he has agreed to help changing these. This makes more sense, especially since the section title is 'Lineup' which refers to who performed in the show and then their function would be secondary info. We also discussed why the 2003 Berlin acoustic show and the 1996 Irving Plaza show were not considered orphaned performances. I agree they should be, but wanted to invite your opinion since you edited some of those shows, See detail on his page, thanks! Sumer - Senior Editor (talk) 17:14, 11 March 2014 (CET)

hi, Sumer. thanks for the reminder and letting me know. i totally agree to unbold the lineups, however i'm sorry for approving MAFF'L to go ahead with bold a few months ago -- that's my bad, so now he's got a lot to revert. additionally, i also noticed that the lineups differ from tour to tour: "person/function" in the oldest shows, and "function/person" in the latest shows. frankly speaking, i don't even remember which style was set up on MW when i joined MW ages ago, but i prefer "person/function" style. concerning the orphaned shows: it's hard to say. i actually never considered joining such articles to the tour pages leaving them as they are, because they all were decided to be in such state by more experienced teammates (Litso, Vixen, and other guys). (scarshock (talk) 17:46, 11 March 2014 (CET))
I prefer that format, too. I've been working in the early tours section and so far that's the way they are so was surprised to see it being done different. I worked on adding many pages in the later tours where the change wasn't noticed. I am very interested in making like pages as uniform as possible.
I agree, they seem to be stand alone pages/ shows and I might add them to the orphaned performance section especially since the Berlin show was only Manson and the two women accompanying him on piano. The Irving Plaza show, Manson himself, has said it was a favor and not the beginning of the tour. Am busy seeing what I can do about wanted pages at the moment, however. Sumer - Senior Editor (talk) 22:57, 11 March 2014 (CET)
using a wiki engine to keep pages as uniform as possible is not that trivial, unfortunately. some of the "sharp edges" could be smoothed using wiki templates, but if so, then each article could be just a set of hard-to-read (in wiki markup sense) templates probably giving some performance penalty (to "unroll" a template into a page representation - i don't know how mediawiki behaves, though). the templates themselves could be complicated too. when we had a conversation with MAFF'L that time, i mentioned templates as a way of lineups content/representation uniforming "once and forever", but i haven't created/found a good lineup template yet (optional functions, multiple functions per person, re-ordering, lineup guests, etc), so keeping an eye on lineups, setlists, trivia is necessary, unfortunately. (scarshock (talk) 08:10, 12 March 2014 (CET))

Main Tour page column project[edit]

Support_for_Danzig's_Danzig_4p_Tour Column changed to match new ones done. All of the pages were already with the yyyy/mo/day format. Sumer - Senior Editor (talk) 23:18, 3 April 2014 (CEST)

thank you very much, Sumer :) (scarshock (talk) 10:17, 4 April 2014 (CEST))

Tour Page formatting[edit]

Made a sample Tour Page with notes in the Sandbox. Let me know what you think. I was told it is proper to bold the date as say it was an article about a song, the name of the song would be bolded, (at least in the first sentence), so I am concurring on that one. However it's agreed no About section header and the Lineup should be Person - Instrument, vocals unbolded. I did not address the Category structure, though. The Era - Portrait of an American Family vs Portrait of an American Family era. My next step I might make a sample page and add a link to it in the Help or cheat sheet area. Sumer - Senior Editor (talk) 09:43, 5 April 2014 (CEST)

hi, Sumer. thanks. if you don't mind, i'll prepare the MediaWiki template for the about section, when i get some more free time, so we could change the appearance if necessary as many times as we might want. concerning the categories, i guess, "Portrait of an American Family era" is better than "Era - ..." (scarshock (talk) 21:42, 5 April 2014 (CEST))
Thanks, I saw the new templates. I want to confirm, the yyy/mp/day changes on the main tour pages that we are editing are to appear in that format in the tables. In other words, the tables should have the date showing like in this one: Self_Destruct not like how it's showing now in this one: Further_Down_the_Spiral.
It was said to change one category like that would mean changing all of them and it was felt if someone was looking for an era they would look under the main title first. Sumer (talk) 19:12, 9 April 2014 (CEST)

FYI Smells_Like_Children_(tour) updated the table to the new style. Sumer (talk) 07:33, 11 April 2014 (CEST)

according to the edit logs you've added 19,475) characters, so it was a great change, thanks! :) (scarshock (talk) 19:41, 12 April 2014 (CEST))
 :) Progress! Can you add country to the About template and maybe post it under template category so it can be found by others? Thanks! Sumer (talk) 04:49, 13 April 2014 (CEST)
Actually, I tried to add a reference at the end of that template and no matter what I did, the reference number would only appear on the next line, which didn't look quite right. Sumer (talk) 06:01, 13 April 2014 (CEST)
i'm not sure that i've understood your request correctly, but Template:AboutPerformance already contains the country parameter, so you can specify a country as well (by its full name, not by its code like codes we use in [[Template:Country]]). or do i understand you totally wrong?... (scarshock (talk) 09:34, 13 April 2014 (CEST))
note that the about-performance template now supports country top-level internet domain codes for the country parameter (lower case) as well as the state (postal codes, upper case). please see my changes to the sample page (scarshock

Re: mr superstar[edit]

Sorry, i made a mistake when i was editing the 2014/08/06 Utrecht, Netherlands page, i only wanted to add the Sweet Dreams (Are Made of This) video and i forgot to reinsert the Mister Superstar one.
User:MAFF'L (talk) 14:31, 8 August 2014 (CEST)

no problem man, thanks (talk) 11:24, 13 April 2014 (CEST))


Hi Scarshock, I noticed the recent spam. We did have in place a captcha / select certain pictures system for edits without a user account, not sure whether it's still in place or lost with the previous database losses? Harlequin (talk)

It should be included with the current version of mediawiki, though not sure of the configiration. See here Harlequin (talk)
hi, i'm trying to test the extension being not authenticated and being behind a proxy 22:56, 9 August 2017 (CEST)
another test 22:57, 9 August 2017 (CEST)
i had to grab an older version because of MediaWiki version incompabilities but still can't make it work so far. i think that we need a more strict mechanism, not requiring captchas, but rather having a sort of a reviewing system. we have page patrolling, but it affects page history -- it would be nice to have an extension that could "shelve" untrusted edits to a sort of stash and only after the shelved edits are approved, they could be added to page history. in this case, such a review could simply keep page histories as clean as possible scarshock (talk) 23:06, 9 August 2017 (CEST)
if such an extension exists, we could prevent both spam and vandalism scarshock (talk) 23:08, 9 August 2017 (CEST)
It would be nice if login was required to edit? We also had kittenauth (written by Litso), not sure if still installed? here Harlequin (talk)
Did some investigating, this could do what you're suggesting. moderationHarlequin (talk)
it looks great, thank you! i've just checked it and it looks exactly what i was looking for. i also did a little test and it has two things i would like it to have improved: 1) the moderation requires Special:Moderation to be constantly tracked (it is not a part of Special:RecentChanges unfortunately, so it's easy to miss a bunch of edits); 2) if there are text conflicts (if an anonymous edits a page and the page is edited by someone else before anonymous' edit is approved), text conflicts must be resolved manually, but the page conflicts resolve UI only suggests a simple editor with the page actual text, so the anonymous user edits must be copied manually from the red/green difference panel above the editor; 3) approved edits are not marked as patrolled automatically. the rest of the things look great so far. have to check for another alternative scarshock (talk) 18:07, 10 August 2017 (CEST)
I don't mind the idea of a special:moderation page as it will keep edits by established editors separate from those that require closer monitoring. I imagine it could be configured so that only the first 5-10 or so edits are moderated, then once its estabished the editor isn't spamming defer to unmoderated editing to appear in recent changes as a part of normal proceedure? If aim of having it is to filter out spam bots,I can't imagine a user account or IP requiring on going moderation or approval after the first few edits? Harlequin (talk)
i made a brief investigation on possible alternatives and the issues in Extension:Moderation. in short, no alternative extensions that provide such functionality, and the issues are either something that cannot be implemented due to technical reasons in MediaWiki or some misunderstanding from my side on how the extension works. i think we should give it a try. thanks for the great finding! scarshock (talk) 12:22, 11 August 2017 (CEST)
i've just installed the extension. please check if you have permissions to access Special:Moderation and if so, please follow the instructions in the extension. thanks! scarshock (talk) 16:59, 11 August 2017 (CEST)
the moderation page link has to be automatically added to the Navigation section in the sidebar if you have enough permissions. hope it works for you :) scarshock (talk) 17:28, 11 August 2017 (CEST)
hi, it seems to be working well. Just not sure it should be accessed via the site navigation menu, maybe only visible to admin in the user menu. EG: user|talk|preferences|moderation|watchlist|contributions Harlequin (talk)
ahh I see what's happening. It seems to be glitching a little. Sometimes visible in the navigation when not logged in. Might be my cache.Im on a tablet at the moment so I'll check on my laptop in a little bit and see if it changes Harlequin (talk)
no, not cache. it looks like a server issue: the parser functions seem not to work well in the sidebar code for some reason. have to investigate more scarshock (talk) 09:07, 12 August 2017 (CEST)
by the way, can you mark unpatrolled edits as patrolled after installing the extension? scarshock (talk) 18:49, 14 August 2017 (CEST)
Hi, no I don't seem to have to option. Im also noticing additional characters to moderation in the main page navigation menu which sends me to an "Invalid Title" page. I can only seem to access from the navigation menu after landing on recent changes Harlequin (talk)
i'm not sure where the patrolling option has gone. i'll recheck it while temporarily disabling the moderation extension today. regarding the sidebar: it looks like the sidebar is parsed/ processed in a different way than the rest of the pages are. i had to remove the link from the sidebar, please bookmark Special:Moderation in your browser until we find a more convenient way to access the page scarshock (talk) 08:11, 15 August 2017 (CEST)
Hi, yes, the main page and menu are separate due to the design/skin. I did read that parser functions in the sidebar arent recommended, but can be done. In our case though it may be better to update localsettings.php? Or alternatively add to the user menu or tools? Harlequin (talk)
could you please provide a link for how LocalSettings.php should be updated? scarshock (talk) 08:38, 15 August 2017 (CEST)
Hi, here's the few pages I was looking at. Sidebar, User rights, Modify toolbox.
P.S. don't forget to backup before major changes ;p Harlequin (talk)
Hi, I'm a bit strapped for time at the moment but wanted to check in. This seems to be holding up discussion pages as well, which is not good. Also, there's a new message on my talk that would be great if you could take a look at if you have a chance. Thanks :) Harlequin (talk)

Discussion Board[edit]

Are you able to edit and add categories here? Special:WikiForum Harlequin (talk)

no, i'm not. do we need it? scarshock (talk) 16:43, 19 August 2017 (CEST)
I didn't know we had it. I was looking at special pages and came across it and tried to add a category to test it and see what it looked like. It might be a good area for people who don't like editing to submit news? It might ecourage more editors/activity. What do you think? Harlequin (talk)
it looks like a misconfiguration. the news section is almost dead for long time -- i don't speak English good enough to be able to post news, and the only "news" left in MansonWiki are just tour date logs and Manson's Instagram/Twitter updates just because these two are simple to copy/paste not requiring much knowledge in English (+ at least tour dates are a matter of encyclopedic interest). i would like to disable the forums completely as i don't see any reason of why they should be maintained having other much more popular discussion boards elsewhere. i believe that the nature of wiki is just editing pages in place, so wiki-based forums are probably a bad choice scarshock (talk) 08:34, 21 August 2017 (CEST)

Protected page[edit]

Is there a way you could unprotect this page so I can update it? (Video_Interview:Marilyn_Manson_Speaks_Out_Against_Violence_(2000)). Thanks ! WW (talk) 01:20, 09/05/2020 (CEST)

Changed the protection level. I didn't even know that it was set in 2013. I have no clue why that page was even protected like that (it is neither system, nor "controversial"), but I think I have to remove the protection from it completely. If there are more "strangely protected" pages like that, please put a comment in their respective discussion pages, so I'll be notified. Thanks! scarshock (talk) 09:25, 9 May 2020 (CEST)