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{{Album | {{Album | ||
| Name = The Manson Family Album | | Name = The Manson Family Album | ||
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| Producer = [[Marilyn Manson]], Roli Mosimann | | Producer = [[Marilyn Manson]], Roli Mosimann | ||
| Reviews = | | Reviews = | ||
| − | | Last album = ''[[Refrigerator]]'' | + | | Last album = ''[[Refrigerator]]''<br>(1993) |
| − | | This album = '''''The Manson Family Album''''' | + | | This album = '''''The Manson Family Album'''''<br>(N/A) |
| − | | Next album = ''[[Portrait of an American Family]]'' | + | | Next album = ''[[Portrait of an American Family]]''<br>(1994) |
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==History== | ==History== | ||
| − | Initially, Manson sought out Roli Mosimann to produce the album and with him the band recorded an album's worth of material. At the time, | + | Initially, Manson sought out Roli Mosimann to produce the album and with him the band recorded an album's worth of material. At the time, "[[Snake Eyes & Sissies]]" was on track to be the band's first single, with a single edit having been made. However the band was simply not satisfied with the output of these recording sessions and shelved the album for a short time. |
| − | Within a few months, the band would convince rising star [[Trent Reznor]] to produce the album instead. With the help of Reznor and his band, [[Nine Inch Nails]], Marilyn Manson re-recorded and reworked their old material until they were satisfied and released it under the name [[Portrait of an American Family]]. | + | Within a few months, the band would convince rising star [[Trent Reznor]] to produce the album instead. With the help of Reznor and his band, [[Nine Inch Nails]], Marilyn Manson re-recorded and reworked their old material until they were satisfied and released it under the name [[Portrait of an American Family]]. "Snake Eyes & Sissies" would never see a single release and in Portrait's credits Mosimann is credited as an engineer with no mention of his production work. |
| − | Years later, former guitarist [[Scott Putesky]] was asked about these original recordings in an interview and gave the interviewer a tape featuring the unused recordings. The interviewer then released them to the internet where they are now widely available, usually labeled as | + | Years later, former guitarist [[Scott Putesky]] was asked about these original recordings in an interview and gave the interviewer a tape featuring the unused recordings. The interviewer then released them to the internet where they are now widely available, usually labeled as "Portrait of an American Family Pre-Reznor Mix" or "Portrait of an American Family Demos". |
==Differences with Portrait of an American Family== | ==Differences with Portrait of an American Family== | ||
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There are many minor and major differences between ''The Manson Family Album'' and its successor, ''Portrait of an American Family'': | There are many minor and major differences between ''The Manson Family Album'' and its successor, ''Portrait of an American Family'': | ||
| − | + | "'''[[Prelude (The Family Trip)]]'''": This track is not present on ''The Manson Family Album'' and was recorded solely for ''Portrait of an American Family''. | |
| − | + | "'''Snake Eyes & Sissies'''": This version of the song is 62 seconds longer than the version that was released and featured alternate lyrics. It was also considered as a single and a radio edit was prepared for it that was never released. | |
| − | + | "'''Lunchbox'''": This version lacks the opening sample of a child saying "Next motherfucker's gonna get my metal" and the opening "bionic guitar" contributed by Trent Reznor, but is otherwise the same. | |
| − | + | "'''Get Your Gunn'''": This version repeats the chorus and bridge more than the released version and runs 50 seconds longer because of it. | |
| − | + | "'''Citronella'''": "Citronella" was later renamed to "[[Dogma]]" for its official release, though the two versions are close to the same. | |
| − | + | "'''Filth'''": This track is exclusive to ''The Manson Family Album'' and was scrapped when the band changed producer. | |
| − | + | "'''[[Wrapped in Plastic]]'''": This track was not initially planned to be released and was recorded exclusively for Portrait of an American Family. | |
| − | + | "'''Sweet Tooth'''": This version lacks the 59 seconds of intro noise found on the final mix. | |
| − | + | "'''My Monkey'''": This version has several more Charles Manson samples than the released mix (many from the demo versions) and some different horn sections in the background. Robert Pierce's singing is much clearer and placed higher in the mix on this version as well. This version lacks a chorus and uses Charlie Manson samples where the chorus would later go. | |
'''Different Mix''': Aside from the major differences listed above, most songs presented on the two albums are essentially the same yet mixed differently. Because of this, different instruments are moved to the front or back of the mix creating a different mood while leaving the composition the same. | '''Different Mix''': Aside from the major differences listed above, most songs presented on the two albums are essentially the same yet mixed differently. Because of this, different instruments are moved to the front or back of the mix creating a different mood while leaving the composition the same. | ||
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==Album Artwork== | ==Album Artwork== | ||
[[File:JWG_clowns.jpg|thumb|left|200px|Examples of John Wayne Gacy's clown portraits. Although it is unknown which specific painting Manson wanted for the album's cover, Gacy painted these and many similar clowns in the early 1980s.]] | [[File:JWG_clowns.jpg|thumb|left|200px|Examples of John Wayne Gacy's clown portraits. Although it is unknown which specific painting Manson wanted for the album's cover, Gacy painted these and many similar clowns in the early 1980s.]] | ||
| − | The album's original cover art featured no text, simply a painting of a clown by John Wayne Gacy. The interior photography included Polaroid pictures (faked by Manson and friends) apparently of a mutilated female body, and a photo of what Manson described as | + | The album's original cover art featured no text, simply a painting of a clown by John Wayne Gacy. The interior photography included Polaroid pictures (faked by Manson and friends) apparently of a mutilated female body, and a photo of what Manson described as "one of those dolls from the 60s and you pull a string on the back of it and the eyes get really big and they change colors." |
In the early stages of the album's conception, Manson intended to use a picture of himself as a child sitting nude on a couch in the album's interior artwork. Though no genitalia is shown in the picture, and it was taken by his own parents with no vulgar intent, the record label deemed it to be child pornography. | In the early stages of the album's conception, Manson intended to use a picture of himself as a child sitting nude on a couch in the album's interior artwork. Though no genitalia is shown in the picture, and it was taken by his own parents with no vulgar intent, the record label deemed it to be child pornography. | ||
[[File:Young-manson-on-couch.png|thumb|right|200px]] | [[File:Young-manson-on-couch.png|thumb|right|200px]] | ||
| − | + | <blockquote>"I wanted to use a photo in [the album]'s booklet of me naked on a couch when I was a kid. | |
When you hold up something to people, usually what they see in it is what's inside them in the first place. And | When you hold up something to people, usually what they see in it is what's inside them in the first place. And | ||
| − | that's what happened because the lawyers at Interscope said, | + | that's what happened because the lawyers at Interscope said, "First off, that picture's going to be considered |
| − | child pornography, and not only will no stores carry the album but we're subject to legal retribution from it. | + | child pornography, and not only will no stores carry the album but we're subject to legal retribution from it." |
They said if a judge were to look at it, the law states that if a photograph of a minor elicits sexual excitement | They said if a judge were to look at it, the law states that if a photograph of a minor elicits sexual excitement | ||
then it's considered child pornography, why am I the guilty person? You're the person who's got a hard-on. Why | then it's considered child pornography, why am I the guilty person? You're the person who's got a hard-on. Why | ||
| − | aren't you punished? | + | aren't you punished?" That's still a point I'd like to make. People's morality is so ridiculous: If they get |
| − | excited by it, then it's wrong. | + | excited by it, then it's wrong." |
| − | + | <br /> <br /> | |
Marilyn Manson, [[The Long Hard Road Out of Hell]] autobiography with [[Neil Strauss]], 1998 | Marilyn Manson, [[The Long Hard Road Out of Hell]] autobiography with [[Neil Strauss]], 1998 | ||
| − | + | </blockquote> | |
By the time the album became ''Portrait of an American Family'', the ideas of using the Gacy artwork and the nude photo was dropped completely. | By the time the album became ''Portrait of an American Family'', the ideas of using the Gacy artwork and the nude photo was dropped completely. | ||
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==Track listing== | ==Track listing== | ||
| − | # | + | # "[[Snake Eyes & Sissies]]" - 5:09 |
| − | # | + | # "Snake Eyes & Sissies" (single mix edit) - 3:57 |
| − | # | + | # "[[Lunchbox]]" - 4:26 |
| − | # | + | # "[[Get Your Gunn]]" - 4:04 |
| − | # | + | # "[[Cyclops]]" - 3:41 |
| − | # | + | # "[[Dogma|Citronella]]" - 3:18 |
| − | # | + | # "[[Cake & Sodomy]]" - 3:52 |
| − | # | + | # "[[Filth]]" - 4:31 |
| − | # | + | # "[[Sweet Tooth]]" - 4:41 |
| − | # | + | # "[[Organ Grinder]]" - 5:04 |
| − | # | + | # "[[My Monkey]]" - 4:52 |
| − | # | + | # "[[Misery Machine]]" - 4:54 |
| − | # | + | # "[[Dope Hat]]" - 4:27 |
| − | + | <small> Note: The above track list is taken from the order the songs appeared in on a cassette giving to an interviewer by Daisy Berkowitz. It is unclear if this was intended to be the final track order.</small> | |
==Trivia== | ==Trivia== | ||
| − | * The title is a reference to serial killer Charles Manson's band, | + | * The title is a reference to serial killer Charles Manson's band, "The Manson Family". |
| − | * Though | + | * Though "Snake Eyes & Sissies" was once considered important enough to be a single, it was never given a release and has not been played by the band since the [[Smells Like Children (tour)|Smells Like Children tour]] in 1996. |
==Personnel== | ==Personnel== | ||
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* [[Gidget Gein]] – bass | * [[Gidget Gein]] – bass | ||
* [[Sara Lee Lucas]] – drums, sound effects | * [[Sara Lee Lucas]] – drums, sound effects | ||
| − | * Robert Pierce - vocals on | + | * Robert Pierce - vocals on "My Monkey" |
* Roli Mosimann - producer | * Roli Mosimann - producer | ||
Revision as of 05:01, 24 November 2010
Contents
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| Demo album by Marilyn Manson | |||||
| Released | Never released. | ||||
| Recorded | 1993 | ||||
| Genre | Alternative metal, heavy metal, industrial metal | ||||
| Length | 56:58 | ||||
| Producer | Marilyn Manson, Roli Mosimann | ||||
| Marilyn Manson chronology | |||||
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The Manson Family Album was intended to be Marilyn Manson's first studio album and is a precursor to Portrait of an American Family. It is comprised of the original takes and alternate mixes of songs that would later be found on the band's debut and due to the many differences between it and its final form, it can be considered an album unto itself.
History
Initially, Manson sought out Roli Mosimann to produce the album and with him the band recorded an album's worth of material. At the time, "Snake Eyes & Sissies" was on track to be the band's first single, with a single edit having been made. However the band was simply not satisfied with the output of these recording sessions and shelved the album for a short time.
Within a few months, the band would convince rising star Trent Reznor to produce the album instead. With the help of Reznor and his band, Nine Inch Nails, Marilyn Manson re-recorded and reworked their old material until they were satisfied and released it under the name Portrait of an American Family. "Snake Eyes & Sissies" would never see a single release and in Portrait's credits Mosimann is credited as an engineer with no mention of his production work.
Years later, former guitarist Scott Putesky was asked about these original recordings in an interview and gave the interviewer a tape featuring the unused recordings. The interviewer then released them to the internet where they are now widely available, usually labeled as "Portrait of an American Family Pre-Reznor Mix" or "Portrait of an American Family Demos".
Differences with Portrait of an American Family
There are many minor and major differences between The Manson Family Album and its successor, Portrait of an American Family:
"Prelude (The Family Trip)": This track is not present on The Manson Family Album and was recorded solely for Portrait of an American Family.
"Snake Eyes & Sissies": This version of the song is 62 seconds longer than the version that was released and featured alternate lyrics. It was also considered as a single and a radio edit was prepared for it that was never released.
"Lunchbox": This version lacks the opening sample of a child saying "Next motherfucker's gonna get my metal" and the opening "bionic guitar" contributed by Trent Reznor, but is otherwise the same.
"Get Your Gunn": This version repeats the chorus and bridge more than the released version and runs 50 seconds longer because of it.
"Citronella": "Citronella" was later renamed to "Dogma" for its official release, though the two versions are close to the same.
"Filth": This track is exclusive to The Manson Family Album and was scrapped when the band changed producer.
"Wrapped in Plastic": This track was not initially planned to be released and was recorded exclusively for Portrait of an American Family.
"Sweet Tooth": This version lacks the 59 seconds of intro noise found on the final mix.
"My Monkey": This version has several more Charles Manson samples than the released mix (many from the demo versions) and some different horn sections in the background. Robert Pierce's singing is much clearer and placed higher in the mix on this version as well. This version lacks a chorus and uses Charlie Manson samples where the chorus would later go.
Different Mix: Aside from the major differences listed above, most songs presented on the two albums are essentially the same yet mixed differently. Because of this, different instruments are moved to the front or back of the mix creating a different mood while leaving the composition the same.
Album Artwork
The album's original cover art featured no text, simply a painting of a clown by John Wayne Gacy. The interior photography included Polaroid pictures (faked by Manson and friends) apparently of a mutilated female body, and a photo of what Manson described as "one of those dolls from the 60s and you pull a string on the back of it and the eyes get really big and they change colors."
In the early stages of the album's conception, Manson intended to use a picture of himself as a child sitting nude on a couch in the album's interior artwork. Though no genitalia is shown in the picture, and it was taken by his own parents with no vulgar intent, the record label deemed it to be child pornography.
<blockquote>"I wanted to use a photo in [the album]'s booklet of me naked on a couch when I was a kid. When you hold up something to people, usually what they see in it is what's inside them in the first place. And that's what happened because the lawyers at Interscope said, "First off, that picture's going to be considered child pornography, and not only will no stores carry the album but we're subject to legal retribution from it." They said if a judge were to look at it, the law states that if a photograph of a minor elicits sexual excitement then it's considered child pornography, why am I the guilty person? You're the person who's got a hard-on. Why aren't you punished?" That's still a point I'd like to make. People's morality is so ridiculous: If they get excited by it, then it's wrong." <br /> <br /> Marilyn Manson, The Long Hard Road Out of Hell autobiography with Neil Strauss, 1998 </blockquote>
By the time the album became Portrait of an American Family, the ideas of using the Gacy artwork and the nude photo was dropped completely.
Track listing
- "Snake Eyes & Sissies" - 5:09
- "Snake Eyes & Sissies" (single mix edit) - 3:57
- "Lunchbox" - 4:26
- "Get Your Gunn" - 4:04
- "Cyclops" - 3:41
- "Citronella" - 3:18
- "Cake & Sodomy" - 3:52
- "Filth" - 4:31
- "Sweet Tooth" - 4:41
- "Organ Grinder" - 5:04
- "My Monkey" - 4:52
- "Misery Machine" - 4:54
- "Dope Hat" - 4:27
<small> Note: The above track list is taken from the order the songs appeared in on a cassette giving to an interviewer by Daisy Berkowitz. It is unclear if this was intended to be the final track order.</small>
Trivia
- The title is a reference to serial killer Charles Manson's band, "The Manson Family".
- Though "Snake Eyes & Sissies" was once considered important enough to be a single, it was never given a release and has not been played by the band since the Smells Like Children tour in 1996.
Personnel
- Marilyn Manson – vocals, producer
- Daisy Berkowitz – guitars
- Madonna Wayne Gacy – Keys, loops and samples
- Gidget Gein – bass
- Sara Lee Lucas – drums, sound effects
- Robert Pierce - vocals on "My Monkey"
- Roli Mosimann - producer
External Links
- Comprehensive coverage of The Manson Family Album at Spookykids.net
- Download The Manson Family Album
