Editing Talk:Marilyn Manson tours

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== Tours and Tour Legs Categories ==
At the moment there is only one major '''<nowiki>[[Category:Tour Dates]]</nowiki>''' category for live performance articles. There are few minor valuable categories too, but is it reasonable to make more major categories like '''[[Category:''Tour Name'']]''' and '''[[Category:''Tour Leg Name'']]'''? ([[User:Scarshock|scarshock]] 16:24, 11 December 2009 (UTC))
: Excellent! I can do it with these categories (for THEoL tour):
::'''<nowiki>[[Category:Tour Dates]]
[[Category:The High End of Low Tour]]
[[Category:The High End of Low European Festival Tour]]</nowiki>'''
:This is sample for [[2009/06/03 Brno, Czech Republic]]. --[[User:M1shael|M1shael]] 14:55, 15 December 2009 (UTC)
::Great! Not bad if you have some free time. I think this idea can please everyone making the tours, tour legs and tour dates more consistent. I've just checked a [http://www.ninwiki.com/2009/08/22_New_York,_NY random NIN wiki page] regarding to the NIN tour dates, and I saw NIN wiki editors used the same approach categorizing the tour dates. Would you do it, M1shael? Then we could evaluate a further attempt of the consistent development for the MansonWiki. ([[User:Scarshock|scarshock]] 15:16, 15 December 2009 (UTC))

==My last editing==
This month we've got a few new editors here. But it seems somewhat strange that they do not take into consideration the ''long-term unwritten law'' article editing rules. Especially I can't see the reason of creating the articles for performances that have not taken place yet, though it breaks the edit chronology. ))) I'm not sure I have a lot of strength to remain a MansonWiki editor and keep an eye on wikification for a lot of newer and newer edits. So I've decided that this edit would become the last edit. Thank you collaboration, Litso, Vixen Windstorm, Lagozzino, Damc-321, M1shael, I4igo and Yawaraey. I love you. P.S. I can't get why I have edited just the page (probably because of the ''tour'' performances that have not taken place yet). :D Sorry. ))) ([[User:Scarshock|scarshock]] 09:07, 19 December 2009 (UTC))

== New Table ==

{| border="1" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="4" style="background-color: #fcfcfc"
|- style="background-color: #cccccc"
! width="350" | Tour
! width="175" | Duration
!Location
|-
! colspan="3" style="background-color:#e8e8e8" | Guns, God and Government Tour
|-
| Guns, God and Government North American Tour
| [[2000/10/27 Minneapolis, MN|2000/10/27]] – [[2001/01/13 Los Angeles, CA|2001/01/13]]
| North America
|-
| Guns, God and Government Spring European Tour
| [[2001/01/21 Birmingham, England|2001/01/21]] – [[2001/02/24 Moscow, Russia|2001/02/24]]
| Europe
|-
| Guns, God and Government Spring Japan Tour
| [[2001/03/11 Tokyo, Japan|2001/03/11]] – [[2001/03/20 Tokyo, Japan|2001/03/20]]
| Japan
|-
! colspan="3" style="background-color:#e8e8e8" | Grotesk Burlesk
|-
| Grotesk Burlesk Spring European Tour
| [[2003/04/11 Berlin, Germany|2003/04/11]] – [[2003/06/21 Tabor, Czech Republic|2003/06/21]]
| Europe
|-
|}
What do you think about new table for tours section? I have seen this [http://www.ninwiki.com/Tours here]. --[[User:M1shael|M1shael]] 09:34, 22 January 2010 (UTC)

:That's Pretty Sexy... I Rike It A Lot M1shael.... :) [[User:Godspeed|godspeed]] 14:01, 22 January 2010 (UTC)
If you really like it, can I change the current version of the table on new version? --[[User:M1shael|M1shael]] 15:44, 22 January 2010 (UTC)
:I like it, because it gives access to the tour leg pages a lot faster than the old way, but I'm a bit afraid it'll be so long that it's going to miss it's point.. Especially the more recent tours have seen so many tour legs it will be a very long list. Also you wont be able to see from and to what dates the entire tour spanned.. Will it  still be usable enough? Maybe we could find a way to have the current list include expand-buttons that reveal the legs when clicked..  Also the Unabridged Dates part on ninwiki is a bit overkill. You dont need a section/header for every single unabridged tour date. [[User:Litso|Litso]] 21:20, 22 January 2010 (UTC)

=== New Table No. 15 ===
{| border="1" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="4" style="background-color: #fcfcfc"
|- style="background-color: #cccccc"
! width="350" | Tour Leg
! width="175" | Duration
!Location
|-
! colspan="3" style="background-color:#e8e8e8" | [[Guns, God and Government|Guns, God and Government Tour]]
<small>[[2000/10/27 Minneapolis, MN|2000/10/27 Minneapolis, MN]] – [[2001/09/02 Hildesheim, Germany|2001/09/02 Hildesheim, Germany]]</small>
|-
| Guns, God and Government North American Tour
| [[2000/10/27 Minneapolis, MN|2000/10/27]] – [[2001/01/13 Los Angeles, CA|2001/01/13]]
| North America
|-
| Guns, God and Government Spring European Tour
| [[2001/01/21 Birmingham, England|2001/01/21]] – [[2001/02/24 Moscow, Russia|2001/02/24]]
| Europe
|-
| Guns, God and Government Spring Japan Tour
| [[2001/03/11 Tokyo, Japan|2001/03/11]] – [[2001/03/20 Tokyo, Japan|2001/03/20]]
| Japan
|-
| Guns, God and Government Ozzfest 2001 Tour
| [[2001/06/08 Tinley Park, IL|2001/06/08]] – [[2001/08/12 Holmdel, NJ|2001/08/12]]
| North America
|-
| Guns, God and Government Autumn Japan Tour
| [[2001/08/18 Osaka, Japan|2001/08/18]] – [[2001/08/19 Tokyo, Japan|2001/08/19]]
| Japan
|-
| Guns, God and Government Autumn European Tour
| [[2001/08/22 Porto, Portugal|2001/08/22]] – [[2001/09/02 Hildesheim, Germany|2001/09/02]]
| Europe
|-
! colspan="3" style="background-color:#e8e8e8" | Grotesk Burlesk Tour
<small>[[2003/04/11 Berlin, Germany|2003/04/11 Berlin, Germany]] – [[2003/12/27 Auburn Hills, MI|2003/12/27 Auburn Hills, MI]]</small>
|-
| Grotesk Burlesk Spring European Tour
| [[2003/04/11 Berlin, Germany|2003/04/11]] – [[2003/06/21 Tabor, Czech Republic|2003/06/21]]
| Europe
|-
| Grotesk Burlesk Ozzfest 2003 Tour
| [[2003/06/28 San Antonio, TX|2003/06/28]] – [[2003/08/28 West Palm Beach, FL|2003/08/28]]
| North America
|-
| Grotesk Burlesk Australian Tour
| [[2003/09/13 Brisbane, Australia|2003/09/13]] – [[2003/09/20 Newcastle, Australia|2003/09/20]]
| Australia
|-
| Grotesk Burlesk Asian Tour
| [[2003/09/24 Fukuoka, Japan|2003/09/24]] – [[2003/10/04 Seoul, South Korea|2003/10/04]]
| Japan, South Korea
|}
Litso, what do you think about new version? :) --[[User:M1shael|M1shael]] 15:38, 3 February 2010 (UTC)
:Well, you solved one thing. Nice job. I still wonder what it'll look like if we add all legs. Visually it's a lot more compelling, that's a fact, but it's just going to be such an enormous list. Then again, maybe that's not so bad [[User:Litso|Litso]] 16:12, 4 February 2010 (UTC)

=== Full Version ===
{| border="1" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="4" style="background-color: #fcfcfc"
|- style="background-color: #cccccc"
! width="350" | Tour Leg
! width="175" | Duration
!Location
|-
! colspan="3" style="background-color:#e8e8e8" | [[Marilyn Manson (band)|Marilyn Manson's]] Early Touring
<small>[[1990/04/28 Miami Beach, FL|1990/04/28 Miami, FL]] – [[1996/02/04 Stuart, FL|1996/02/04 Stuart, FL]]</small>
|-
| Marilyn Manson's independent touring
| [[1990/04/28 Miami Beach, FL|1990/04/28]] – [[1994/06/04 Davie, FL|1994/06/04]]
| North America
|-
| Self Destruct
| [[Marilyn Manson's April 24, 1994 performance|1994/04/24]] – [[1994/12/11 Philadelphia, PA|1994/12/11]]
| North America
|-
| Portrait of an American Family
| [[1994/12/27 Jacksonville, FL|1994/12/27]] – [[1995/03/11 Columbia, SC|1995/03/11]]
| North America
|-
| Support for Danzig's Danzig 4p Tour
| [[1995/03/24 San Francisco, CA|1995/03/24]] – [[1995/05/14 Orlando, FL|1995/05/14]]
| North America
|-
| Smells Like Children
| [[1995/06/01 Baton Rouge, LA|1995/06/01]] – [[1996/02/04 Stuart, FL|1996/02/04]]
| North America
|-
! colspan="3" style="background-color:#e8e8e8" | [[Dead to the World (tour)|Dead to the World Tour]]
<small>[[1996/09/05 New York City, NY|1996/09/05 New York City, NY]] – [[1997/09/16 Mexico City, Mexico|1997/09/16 Mexico City, Mexico]]</small>
|-
| Dead to the World Theater Tour
| [[1996/09/05 New York City, NY|1996/09/05]] – [[1996/12/15 Manchester, England|1996/12/15]]
| North America
|-
| Dead to the World North American Tour
| [[1996/12/27 Nashville, TN|1996/12/27]] – [[1997/03/04 Anchorage, AK|1997/03/04]]
| North America
|-
| Dead to the World Japan/Oceania Tour
| [[1997/03/07 Osaka, Japan|1997/03/07]] – [[1997/03/22 Honolulu, HI|1997/03/22]]
| Japan, Australia, North America
|-
| Dead to the World Arena Tour
| [[1997/04/05 LaCrosse, WI|1997/04/05]] – [[1997/05/11 Camden, NJ|1997/05/11]]
| North America
|-
| Dead to the World European Festival Tour
| [[1997/05/17 Landgraaf, Netherlands|1997/05/17]] – [[1997/06/04 Milan, Italy|1997/06/04]]
| Europe
|-
| Dead to the World Ozzfest 1997 Tour
| [[1997/06/13 Providence, RI|1997/06/13]] – [[1997/08/02 Montreal, Canada|1997/08/02]]
| North America
|-
| Dead to the World Canadian Tour
| [[1997/07/23 Vancouver, Canada|1997/07/23]] – [[1997/08/02 Montreal, Canada|1997/08/02]]
| North America
|-
| Dead to the World European/South American Tour
| [[1997/08/09 Zambujeira do Mar, Portugal|1997/08/09]] – [[1997/09/16 Mexico City, Mexico|1997/09/16]]
| Europe, South America
|-
! colspan="3" style="background-color:#e8e8e8" | Mechanical Animals Tour
<small>[[1998/10/25 Lawrence, KS|1998/10/25 Lawrence, KS]] – [[1999/01/31 Perth, Australia|1999/01/31 Perth, Australia]]</small>
|-
| Mechanical Animals European Festival Tour <small>(Cancelled)</small>
| 1998/06/25 – 1998/07/12
| Europe
|-
| Mechanical Animals World Tour
| [[1998/10/25 Lawrence, KS|1998/10/25]] – [[1999/01/12 Osaka, Japan|1999/01/12]]
| North America, Europe, Japan
|-
| Mechanical Animals Big Day Out Festival Tour
| [[1999/01/15 Auckland, New Zealand|1999/01/15]] – [[1999/01/31 Perth, Australia|1999/01/31]]
| Australia
|-
! colspan="3" style="background-color:#e8e8e8" | Rock Is Dead Tour
<small>[[1999/02/28 Spokane, WA|1999/02/28 Spokane, WA]] – [[1999/08/08 Fuji-Yoshida, Japan|1999/08/08 Fuji-Yoshida, Japan]]</small>
|-
| Support for Hole's Beautiful Monsters Tour
| [[1999/02/28 Spokane, WA|1999/02/28]] – [[1999/03/14 Los Angeles, CA|1999/03/14]]
| North America
|-
| Rock Is Dead Tour: North American Festival Leg
| 1999/03/17 – [[1999/05/07 Phoenix, AZ|1999/05/07]]
| North America
|-
| Rock Is Dead Tour: European/Japan Festival Leg
| [[1999/06/18 Hultsfred, Sweden|1999/06/18]] – [[1999/08/08 Fuji-Yoshida, Japan|1999/08/08]]
| Europe, Japan
|-
! colspan="3" style="background-color:#e8e8e8" | Guns, God and Government Tour
<small>[[2000/10/27 Minneapolis, MN|2000/10/27 Minneapolis, MN]] – [[2001/09/02 Hildesheim, Germany|2001/09/02 Hildesheim, Germany]]</small>
|-
| Guns, God and Government North American Tour
| [[2000/10/27 Minneapolis, MN|2000/10/27]] – [[2001/01/13 Los Angeles, CA|2001/01/13]]
| North America
|-
| Guns, God and Government Spring European Tour
| [[2001/01/21 Birmingham, England|2001/01/21]] – [[2001/02/24 Moscow, Russia|2001/02/24]]
| Europe
|-
| Guns, God and Government Spring Japan Tour
| [[2001/03/11 Tokyo, Japan|2001/03/11]] – [[2001/03/20 Tokyo, Japan|2001/03/20]]
| Japan
|-
| Guns, God and Government Ozzfest 2001 Tour
| [[2001/06/08 Tinley Park, IL|2001/06/08]] – [[2001/08/12 Holmdel, NJ|2001/08/12]]
| North America
|-
| Guns, God and Government Autumn Japan Tour
| [[2001/08/18 Osaka, Japan|2001/08/18]] – [[2001/08/19 Tokyo, Japan|2001/08/19]]
| Japan
|-
| Guns, God and Government Autumn European Tour
| [[2001/08/22 Porto, Portugal|2001/08/22]] – [[2001/09/02 Hildesheim, Germany|2001/09/02]]
| Europe
|-
! colspan="3" style="background-color:#e8e8e8" | Grotesk Burlesk|Grotesk Burlesk Tour
<small>[[2003/04/11 Berlin, Germany|2003/04/11 Berlin, Germany]] – [[2003/12/27 Auburn Hills, MI|2003/12/27 Auburn Hills, MI]]</small>
|-
| Grotesk Burlesk Spring European Tour
| [[2003/04/11 Berlin, Germany|2003/04/11]] – [[2003/06/21 Tabor, Czech Republic|2003/06/21]]
| Europe
|-
| Grotesk Burlesk Ozzfest 2003 Tour
| [[2003/06/28 San Antonio, TX|2003/06/28]] – [[2003/08/28 West Palm Beach, FL|2003/08/28]]
| North America
|-
| Grotesk Burlesk Australian Tour
| [[2003/09/13 Brisbane, Australia|2003/09/13]] – [[2003/09/20 Newcastle, Australia|2003/09/20]]
| Australia
|-
| Grotesk Burlesk Asian Tour
| [[2003/09/24 Fukuoka, Japan|2003/09/24]] – [[2003/10/04 Seoul, South Korea|2003/10/04]]
| Japan, South Korea
|-
| Grotesk Burlesk Autumn North American Tour
| [[2003/10/10 Los Angeles, CA|2003/10/10]] – [[2003/11/01 New Orleans, LA|2003/11/01]]
| North America
|-
| Grotesk Burlesk Mexican Tour
| [[2003/11/05 Monterrey, Mexico|2003/11/05]] – [[2003/11/07 Mexico City, Mexico|2003/11/07]]
| North America
|-
| Grotesk Burlesk Autumn European Tour
| [[2003/11/19 Hamburg, Germany|2003/11/19]] – [[2003/12/19 Stockholm, Sweden|2003/12/19]]
| Europe
|-
| Grotesk Burlesk Winter North American Tour
| [[2003/12/27 Auburn Hills, MI|2003/12/27]] – 2004/01/03
| North America
|-
! colspan="3" style="background-color:#e8e8e8" | Against All Gods Tour
<small>[[2004/10/27 Las Vegas, NV|2004/10/27 Las Vegas, NV]] – [[2005/08/31 Dublin, Ireland|2005/08/31 Dublin, Ireland]]</small>
|-
| Against All Gods North American Tour
| [[2004/10/27 Las Vegas, NV|2004/10/27]] – [[2004/12/20 Los Angeles, CA|2004/12/20]]
| North America
|-
| Against All Gods Asian Tour
| 2005/01/29 – [[2005/02/06 Tokyo, Japan|2005/02/06]]
| Japan, South Korea 
|-
| Against All Gods Mexican Tour
| [[2005/02/09 Mexico City, Mexico|2005/02/09]]
| North America
|-
| Against All Gods European Tour
| [[2005/05/27 Madrid, Spain|2005/05/27]] – [[2005/08/31 Dublin, Ireland|2005/08/31]]
| Europe
|-
! colspan="3" style="background-color:#e8e8e8" | Rape of the World Tour
<small>[[2007/05/26 Landgraaf, Netherlands|2007/05/26 Landgraaf, Netherlands]] – [[2008/03/02 Houston, TX|2008/03/02 Houston, TX]]</small>
|-
| Rape of the World Summer European Tour
| [[2007/05/26 Landgraaf, Netherlands|2007/05/26]] – [[2007/07/07 Bobital, France|2007/07/07]]
| Europe
|-
| Rape of the World Summer North American Tour
| [[2007/07/25 West Palm Beach, FL|2007/07/25]] – [[2007/10/31 Las Vegas, NV|2007/09/01]]
| North America
|-
| Rape of the World South American Tour
| [[2007/09/18 Mexico City, Mexico|2007/09/18]] – [[2007/09/29 Buenos Aires, Argentina|2007/09/30]]
| South America
|-
| Rape of the World Oceania Tour
| [[2007/10/03 Auckland, New Zealand|2007/10/03]] – [[2007/10/13 Perth, Australia|2007/10/13]]
| Australia, New Zeland
|-
| Rape of the World Japan Tour
| [[2007/10/16 Fukuoka, Japan|2007/10/16]] – [[2007/10/23 Osaka, Japan|2007/10/23]]
| Japan
|-
| Rape of the World Winter European Tour
| [[2007/11/10 St. Petersburg, Russia|2007/11/10]] – [[2007/12/22 Tallinn, Estonia |2007/12/22]]
| Europe
|-
| Rape of the World Winter North American Tour
| [[2008/01/19 Orlando, FL|2008/01/19]] – [[2008/03/02 Houston, TX|2008/03/02]]
| North America
|-
! colspan="3" style="background-color:#e8e8e8" | The High End of Low Tour
<small>[[2009/06/03 Brno, Czech Republic|2009/06/03 Brno, Czech Republic]] – [[2009/12/21 Paris, France|2009/12/21 Paris, France]]</small>
|-
| The High End of Low European Festival Tour
| [[2009/06/03 Brno, Czech Republic|2009/06/03]] – [[2009/07/04 Sopron, Hungary|2009/07/04]]
| Europe
|-
| The High End of Low Rockstar Mayhem Fest Tour
| [[2009/07/10 Sacramento, CA|2009/07/10]] – [[2009/08/15 Dallas, TX|2009/08/15]]
| North America
|-
| The High End of Low North American Tour
| [[2009/08/21 Las Vegas, NV| 2009/08/21]] – [[2009/09/26 Moncton, NB|2009/09/26]]
| North America
|-
| The High End of Low Tour: Australian Leg
| [[2009/10/05 Perth, Australia|2009/10/05]] – [[2009/10/17 Brisbane, Australia|2009/10/17]]
| Australia
|-
| The High End of Low Tour: Asian Leg
| [[2009/10/20 Osaka, Japan|2009/10/20]] – [[2009/10/24 Mihama, Japan|2009/10/24]]
| Japan
|-
| The High End of Low Tour: European Leg
| [[2009/11/11 Helsinki, Finland|2009/11/11]] – [[2009/12/21 Paris, France|2009/12/21]]
| Europe
|-
| The High End of Low Tour: Winter North American Leg <small>(Cancelled)</small>
| 2010/02/26
| North America
|}

I've done full version of this shit.
Yeah, it's looks so big, but i think that this version really better than the current version. :D --[[User:M1shael|M1shael]] 09:17, 5 February 2010 (UTC)
:I agree. Nice work! Let's go :)[[User:Litso|Litso]] 11:11, 5 February 2010 (UTC)

== Summary tracklisting ==

What do you think about summary tracklisting of played songs for each tour? For example I compile a list for Rape of the World tour:
: Litso, what do you think? --[[User:M1shael|M1shael]] 18:53, 24 February 2010 (UTC)

# "[[Trio No. 2 in E-Flat Major for Piano, Violin, and Violoncello]]" <small>(Intro)</small>
# "[[Cruci-Fiction in Space]]" 
# "[[Disposable Teens]]" 
# "[[You and Me and the Devil Makes 3]]"
# "[[Irresponsible Hate Anthem]]" 
# "[[Great Big White World]]" 
# "[[Are You the Rabbit?]]"
# "[[mOBSCENE]]" 
# "[[Mechanical Animals (song)|Mechanical Animals]]" 
# "[[If I Was Your Vampire]]"
# "[[Heart-Shaped Glasses (When the Heart Guides the Hand)]]" 
# "[[The Love Song]]" 
# "[[Sweet Dreams (Are Made of This)]]" / "[[Lunchbox]]" <small>(Medley)</small>
# "[[Rock 'n' Roll Nigger]]" 
# "[[Tourniquet]]" 
# "[[Little Horn]]" 
# "[[The Fight Song]]"
# "[[Putting Holes in Happiness]]"
# "[[Just a Car Crash Away]]"
# "[[Tainted Love]]"
# "[[Happiness Is a Warm Gun]]"
# "[[The Dope Show]]" 
# "[[Rock Is Dead]]" 
# "[[Coma White]]" / "[[Coma Black#(a) Eden Eye|Coma Black]]"
# "[[Track 99]]"
# "[[The Reflecting God]]"
# "[[The Beautiful People]]" <small>(With "[[Baby You're a Rich Man]]" intro)</small>
# "[[Antichrist Superstar (song)|Antichrist Superstar]]" 
# "[[1996]]" 
# "[[The Nobodies]]"
# "[[This Is Halloween]]"
# "[[EAT ME, DRINK ME]]"
# "[[Trio No. 2 in E-Flat Major for Piano, Violin, and Violoncello]]" <small>(Outro)</small>
<br><br><br>
'''* By the way, I like this idea m1shael [[User:Godspeed|&#91;god&#93;speed]] 22:44, 24 April 2010 (UTC)'''

== YouTube Idea  ==

I was wondering and perhaps this should be a vote rather than a suggestion, but what if we were to compile a youtube video for each tour date, only really good footage and just a single song or so, we don't want to flood the tour articles however, I think that most people that check on previous tour dates more than likely went to the show and are looking to remember it, (checking the setlist etc.) and a single video when clicked would direct them to more related videos from the show on youtube. 


I just figure that it might give us something to do, while there isn't anything major happening at the moment.
Just an idea. [[User:Godspeed|&#91;god&#93;speed]] 22:41, 24 April 2010 (UTC)

: I'm game and I have quite a few good HD videos that I could put up as well. [[User:NickSixx|NickSixx]] 00:46, 25 April 2010 (UTC)
::I'm up for it :) [[User:DavidGlyn|Dave too lazy to login]]
::: I thought it  would be something you guys might like, though I'd like to hear what some of the other users thinks before we decide to start.
If we do decide to incorporate youtube video(s) into the tour section, I'd really like to keep them down to a minimum and high quality. We definitely don't want to clutter up the tour dates with tons of videos, but I do think that it is important and would add more to each of those articles than simply the setlist. We'll see what everyone else thinks first. [[User:Godspeed|&#91;god&#93;speed]] 09:14, 25 April 2010 (UTC)
::::obviously the videos which are going to be best quality are the ones from Dead to the world and GGG tour videos, but there are alot more we can get, i think and i was wondering if we we're going to put videos in from orphaned performances, liek when Mansons and NIN did starfuckers and beautifull people and when manson was on lettterman doing personal jesus? [[User:DavidGlyn|Dave too lazy again]]

::::: A lot of my THEOL tour videos are in HD. [[User:NickSixx|NickSixx]] 15:03, 25 April 2010 (UTC)

:::::: I like this idea, so it's a yes from me. However I think we should limit to one, maybe two quality videos for each performance. I also suggest starting with most recent performances so that there is some order to this. When I say quality, I mean QUALITY though. [[User:‡-me-‡|‡-me-‡]] 08:38, 26 April 2010 (UTC)

::::::: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KiwkkVQJ2jE , http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kMoYbpRO_Zs and http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c8_jK8Gf8BQ are examples of my best videos. [[User:NickSixx|NickSixx]] 20:08, 26 April 2010 (UTC)

== New border for tour legs ==

{| class="toccolours sortable" border="1" cellpadding="2" cellspacing="0" style="float: center; width: 700px; margin: 0 0 1em 1em; border-collapse: collapse; border: 1px solid #E2E2E2;"
|- style="background-color:#E2E2E2"
! width="160" rowspan="1" | Date
! width="30" rowspan="1" class="unsortable" | 
! width="180" rowspan="1" | City
! width="180" rowspan="1" | Country
! width="250" rowspan="1" class="unsortable" | 
Venue
 
|-
| align="center" | [[2009/06/03 Brno, Czech Republic|June 3, 2009]]
 
| align="center" | [[Image:Flag-cz.png|20px]]<br>
 
| align="center" | Brno
 
| align="center" | Czech Republic
 
| align="center" | Velodrom
|-
| align="center" | [[2009/06/05 Nürburgring, Germany|June 5, 2009]]
 
| align="center" | [[Image:Flag-de.png|20px]]
 
| align="center" | Nürburgring
 
| align="center" | Germany
 
| align="center" | Rock Am Ring
|-
| align="center" | [[2009/06/06 Nürnberg, Germany|June 6, 2009]]
 
| align="center" | [[Image:Flag-de.png|20px]]
 
| align="center" | Nürnberg
 
| align="center" | Germany
 
| align="center" | Rock Im Park
|-
| align="center" | [[2009/06/08 Innsbruck, Austria|June 8, 2009]]
 
| align="center" | [[Image:Flag-at.png|20px]]
 
| align="center" | Innsbruck
 
| align="center" | Austria
 
| align="center" | Olympiahalle
|}

<br>
 
{| border="1" cellpadding="4" cellspacing="0"
|- style="background-color:#e8e8e8"
! width="200" | Date/Location
 
! Venue
|-
| [[2009/06/03 Brno, Czech Republic]]
 
| Velodrom
|-
| [[2009/06/05 Nürburgring, Germany]]
 
| Rock Am Ring
|-
| [[2009/06/06 Nürnberg, Germany]]
 
| Rock Im Park
|-
| [[2009/06/08 Innsbruck, Austria]]
 
| Olympiahalle
|}

What do you think about this? --[[User:M1shael|M1shael]] 14:25, 8 May 2010 (UTC)


DUDE!!, thats awsome, especialy with the flags, top job man, :) [[User:DavidGlyn|Dave, too lazy to login again]]
: Thanks. :D --[[User:M1shael|M1shael]] 15:05, 8 May 2010 (UTC)

Looking good! Hold on until the new design though, we're going to need different colors then. Also I'm looking for a way to use .css files for the styles and colors of the templates and tables (e.g. one rule like #tourtable.td { align: center } in stead of align="center" in every cell) so until we have that let's just wait a little before implementing new stuff :) [[User:Litso|Litso]] 15:00, 8 May 2010 (UTC)
: Ok. :) --[[User:M1shael|M1shael]] 15:05, 8 May 2010 (UTC)

Well done, M1shael. Anyway, I have two notes: 1) it's better if country and flags columns are joined (also the country column has higher priority than the city column, so they should be swapped); 2) does the wiki engine support conditional templates? if yes, then a simple constructional template like <span style="font-family: monospace;"><nowiki>{{countryflag:DE}}</nowiki></span> could be expanded to "[[Image:Flag-de.png|20px]] Germany" eliminating the redundant specifying of the countries names and flags (that's able to cause mistakes). If you're familiar with conditional templates, sure. :) ([[User:Scarshock|scarshock]] 16:51, 8 May 2010 (UTC))

I've found it myself. Look, it's a switch construction that might be included to the <nowiki>Template:Country</nowiki>. The template (not exact syntax):
    <nowiki><includeonly></nowiki>
    <nowiki>{{#switch: {{{Domain|}}}</nowiki>
    <nowiki> | AT = [[Image:Flag-at.png|20px]] Austria</nowiki>
    <nowiki> | CZ = [[Image:Flag-cz.png|20px]] Czech Republic</nowiki>
    <nowiki> | DE = [[Image:Image:Flag-de.png|20px]] Germany</nowiki>
    <nowiki> | ... </nowiki>
    <nowiki> | <i>unknown country</i></nowiki>
    <nowiki>}}</nowiki>
    <nowiki><noinclude></noinclude></nowiki>
Usage:
    <nowiki>{{Country</nowiki>
    <nowiki>| Domain = DE</nowiki>
    <nowiki>}}</nowiki>
I hope it would be rendered into a block with inline flow (in CSS terms). ([[User:Scarshock|scarshock]] 17:16, 8 May 2010 (UTC))

A minified version with sortable Date and Location columns, shorter and cleaner markup, the Country template is used too:
{| class="toccolours sortable" border="1" cellpadding="2" cellspacing="0" style="float: center; margin: 0 0 1em 1em; border-collapse: collapse; border: 1px solid #E2E2E2;"
|- style="background-color:#E2E2E2"
! width="100" rowspan="1" | Date
! width="200" rowspan="1" | Location
! width="150" rowspan="1" class="unsortable" | Venue 
|-
| [[2009/06/03 Brno, Czech Republic|2009/06/03]] 
| {{Flag|cz}}, Brno
| Velodrom
|-
| [[2009/06/05 Nürburgring, Germany|2009/06/05]] 
| {{Flag|de}}, Nürburgring
| Rock Am Ring
|-
| [[2009/06/06 Nürnberg, Germany|2009/06/06]] 
| {{Flag|de}}, Nürnberg
| Rock Im Park
|-
| [[2009/06/08 Innsbruck, Austria|2009/06/08]] 
| {{Flag|at}}, Innsbruck
| Olympiahalle
|}

([[User:Scarshock|scarshock]] 14:47, 11 May 2010 (UTC))


{| class="toccolours sortable" border="1" cellpadding="2" cellspacing="0" style="float: center; width: 600px; margin: 0 0 1em 1em; border-collapse: collapse; border: 1px solid #E2E2E2;"
|- style="background-color:#E2E2E2"
! width="30" rowspan="1" | 
! width="160" rowspan="1" | Date
! width="30" rowspan="1" class="unsortable" | 
! width="180" rowspan="1" | City
! width="180" rowspan="1" | Country
! width="250" rowspan="1" class="unsortable" | Venue
|-
| align="center" | 1
| align="center" | [[2009/06/03 Brno, Czech Republic|2009/06/03]]
| align="center" | [[Image:Flag-cz.png|20px]]
| align="center" | Brno
| align="center" | Czech Republic
| align="center" | Velodrom
|-
| align="center" | 2
| align="center" | [[2009/06/05 Nürburgring, Germany|2009/06/05]] 
| align="center" | [[Image:Flag-de.png|20px]]
| align="center" | Nurburgring
| align="center" | Germany
| align="center" | Rock Am Ring
|-
| align="center" | 3
| align="center" | [[2009/06/06 Nürnberg, Germany|2009/06/06]] 
| align="center" | [[Image:Flag-de.png|20px]]
| align="center" | Nurnberg
| align="center" | Germany
| align="center" | Rock Im Park
|-
| align="center" | 4
| align="center" | [[2009/06/08 Innsbruck, Austria|2009/06/08]]
| align="center" | [[Image:Flag-at.png|20px]]
| align="center" | Innsbruck
| align="center" | Austria
| align="center" | Olympiahalle
|}

Here is the version with numbers. --[[User:M1shael|M1shael]] 15:30, 21 May 2010 (UTC)

== Ginger's tour with Zombie ==
I want to create the performance pages of Zombie's tour where Ginger was as drummer. What do you think? --[[User:M1shael|M1shael]] 14:37, 7 February 2011 (UTC)
:Hi. :) I disagree since it has no relation to Manson, but I guess the trivia section could be expanded with that info on Fish's page. ([[User:Scarshock|scarshock]] 17:02, 7 February 2011 (UTC))

:: Hi!! Yeah, but currently Rob Zombie have 40% of MM's members. :D We can post an article with the photo and video materials, setlists. It would be really cool if Jen and Aaron will speak with Ginger about this tour and post it to that article. --[[User:M1shael|M1shael]] 17:21, 7 February 2011 (UTC)

== Hey cruel world/ thirteenth tour ==

Shouldn't 
<nowiki>[[Thirteenth tour: Asian Leg]] </nowiki>  now be changed to <nowiki> [[Hey Cruel World Tour: Asian Leg]]</nowiki> and so on since the name of the tour has now been announced? I would change it myself but the whole thing is locked.
[[User:Apokalypsos|Apokalypsos]] 21:24, 23 February 2012 (CET)


== Needed editions ==
Since I don't have permission to edit this page, here are two needed editions:
* this is obviously wrong, it is not "north america": | The Hell Not Hallelujah Tour: Autumn European Leg | 2015/11/05 - 2015/11/23 | North America |
* a link to the 2017 tour page is missing
-- [[User:MindBoosterNoori|MindBoosterNoori]] ([[User talk:MindBoosterNoori|talk]]) 18:21, 12 December 2016 (CET)

: done. the "TBA"s labels don't look good, but let them be there -- [[User:Scarshock|scarshock]] ([[User talk:Scarshock|talk]]) 19:17, 12 December 2016 (CET)

==Pogo says it's clearly inaccurate==
[https://scontent-fra3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/14962547_1220152058045629_9035675547025681652_n.jpg?oh=0657a94b5a2ca3063b713d6935d65d1e&oe=5989E2D4 screenshot]
[https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=1220152058045629&set=a.625211774206330.1073741826.100001525393634&type=1&theater Some dumb f*** from messenger sent me this I don't know who... however it is clearly inaccurate] [[User:Scarshock|scarshock]] ([[User talk:Scarshock|talk]]) 17:28, 18 April 2017 (CEST)

== Budapest show in 'Heaven Upside Down Tour' table ==
The 'Heaven Upside Down Tour' table is showing an "orphan" Budapest show that shouldn't be there, since it is already in the "European Summer Tour Leg" page. -- [[User:MindBoosterNoori|MindBoosterNoori]] ([[User talk:MindBoosterNoori|talk]]) 16:30, 19 July 2017 (CEST)

: not an orphan, it's just confusing: this is just the very first tour tour date [[User:Scarshock|scarshock]] ([[User talk:Scarshock|talk]]) 16:55, 19 July 2017 (CEST)

: i think i'll remote it -- it's confusing anyway and just duplicates dates below [[User:Scarshock|scarshock]] ([[User talk:Scarshock|talk]]) 17:38, 19 July 2017 (CEST)

: done [[Special:Diff/99853/99876]] [[User:Scarshock|scarshock]] ([[User talk:Scarshock|talk]]) 17:44, 19 July 2017 (CEST)