Revision as of 01:10, 6 January 2010

This should be removed. I'm a fan of Lady Gaga personally, but she doesn't deserve her own article on the MARILYN MANSON wiki. They collaborated on one remix (and btw, Manson didn't remix it himself, he just supplied the extra vocals on the chorus. It was remixed by Chew Fu) and have had no other contact that we know of since then. Are we really going to start articles for every artist who ever remixed a Manson song or whom Manson did a remix for? I vote that this article gets removed. Lagozzino

So the articles about Slipknot and Joey Jordison should be removed too, because they didn't collaborate a lot with Manson (maybe a little bit more than Lady Gaga, but not enough to have their own aritcles). I4ig0 17:51, 4 January 2010 (UTC)

Lady gaga should be removed and maybe Joey Jordison but Slipknot have collaborated with Manson at least four times. Yawaraey 18:01, 4 January 2010 (UTC)

I agree with Yawaraey Lagozzino 18:17, 4 January 2010 (UTC)

I believe all collaborators are notable, regardless of the capacity they've been involved with Manson; I just never had the time to work out articles for everybody. Alden Weston talk – forum profile 18:44, 4 January 2010 (UTC)

I disagree Vixen. People looking for info about Manson may want to read about who collaborated, but I think hardly any of them is interested in extensive articles about the individual artists. For those that are we can provide external links. The imprortant part is how and why they collaborated, and when that's only one or two songs we could easily mention that at the song's articles. I just deleted some stubs about some early Mrs. Scabtree collaborators, there's nothing more to say about them that justifies their own page. Slipknot and for example The Prodigy are a grey area, but I'm not even sure those pages have a home here. Jessicka is a good example of an artist that does belong here, as are godhead (because of them having been signed at Posthuman Records. Litso 19:25, 4 January 2010 (UTC)

Didn't the mansonwiki used to have an article that was a compilation list of various bands that had collaborated with Manson at one point or another? I could swear it was on here and had short articles about each band with just a quick history and a mention of how they collaborated with Manson. Maybe I imagined it, but still, I think that we really should have an article like that on the wiki, if only to avoid having a bunch of articles that are only tangentially related to Marilyn Manson.
I like that Lady Gaga and Manson worked together, but does that really merit an exhaustive article detailing her entire life with only a small note at the end about Manson? I don't think so. Manson also remixed a Linkin Park song, so should they have a full biography here too? Does Felix Da Housecat get an article for remixing Personal Jesus? I'd like to think that if the article has nothing to do with Marilyn Manson except for a passing mention of a collaboration, then it has no business being on this wiki.
As for which collaborators we should consider "worthy" of larger articles, I think those should be reserved for people like Bon Harris, Trent Reznor, Charlie Clouser and Sean Beaven; people who are (or were) frequent collaborators who have actually worked on the band's albums over the years and could almost be considered honorary members of the band for the work they put in. Lagozzino 21:55, 4 January 2010 (UTC)

Related bands and artists. All in favor of reinstating this article say "aye!" Litso 09:23, 5 January 2010 (UTC)

I never said the articles had to be extensive, I just think that anyone who pertains to the scope of this website warrants an article of their own. The exact length of each article will just vary from person to person. If I had the Internet to myself I could show you exactly what I mean, but at the moment that isn't the case. I haven't got the time to check every related musician's article, but looking at this particular one, it's clear that it's been copy-pasted from Wikipedia, so rather than worry about biographies for "unworthy" musicians and such and how they have no place here, I think the more important question would be how can we refine it to the standards of this website. Has anybody noticed how several (maybe more, like I said I've been Internet-challenged since November) Manson articles on Wikipedia have been copied from here? For example much of The High End of Low (especially the reception section which I wrote, though there may be some differences now) on Wikipedia was copied directly from here. Where I'm going with this is that in the beginning MansonWiki's album articles were copied from Wikipedia, and now we're in the position where te opposite occurs. That is why it's important to take all this copy-pasted material and decide how it can be revised to apply MansonWiki, because we've already shown the effectiveness of making articles "ours." Alden Weston talk – forum profile 00:58, 6 January 2010 (UTC)