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|Interviewer = Daniel Lane
 
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As the last bars of ´The Golden Age of Grotesque´ faded I was left thinking: well thank fuck it didnae suck. Nobody – me, you, ´the industry´, and especially not Marilyn Manson – needed a stinker at this time. Yet the ´black propaganda´ that preceded ´The Golden Age of Grotesque´ was ominous: the buzz – if you will excuse the use of this most odious of London music business terms for gossip and innuendo – was that the album was going to drop like a rather unpleasant bromide. And lo, there would be much wailing and gnashing of teeth… nothing tangible, you understand, just whispers here and there, Mates of mates who were talking to somebody, who knows the janitor at Interscope… ´oh yeah, he´s heard it and it SUCKS! It´s bad rap metal, it´s unlistenable art rock, it´s a cynical attempt to recreate ´Antichrist Superstar´. Of course, Twiggy was the REAL talent behind Marilyn Manson…´.
As the last bars of ´[[The Golden Age of Grotesque (album)|The Golden Age of Grotesque]]´ faded I was left thinking: well thank fuck it didnae suck. Nobody – me, you, ´the industry´, and especially not [[Marilyn Manson (band)|Marilyn Manson]] – needed a stinker at this time. Yet the ´black propaganda´ that preceded ´The Golden Age of Grotesque´ was ominous: the buzz – if you will excuse the use of this most odious of London music business terms for gossip and innuendo – was that the album was going to drop like a rather unpleasant bromide. And lo, there would be much wailing and gnashing of teeth… nothing tangible, you understand, just whispers here and there, Mates of mates who were talking to somebody, who knows the janitor at [[Interscope Records|Interscope]]… ´oh yeah, he´s heard it and it SUCKS! It´s bad rap metal, it´s unlistenable art rock, it´s a cynical attempt to recreate ´[[Antichrist Superstar (album)|Antichrist Superstar]]´. Of course, [[Twiggy]] was the REAL talent behind Marilyn Manson…´.
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´The Golden Age of Grotesque´ is a good album, adventurous in parts, but on the whole, no really big surprises. There´s a concept, but not one that he ended up tripping over when writing the songs. There´s some playing around with different styles and influences, but nothing to alienate the MTV-watching Sunny Delight-quaffing burger-fed mid American malcontents who still comprise Manson´s core demographic.
 
´The Golden Age of Grotesque´ is a good album, adventurous in parts, but on the whole, no really big surprises. There´s a concept, but not one that he ended up tripping over when writing the songs. There´s some playing around with different styles and influences, but nothing to alienate the MTV-watching Sunny Delight-quaffing burger-fed mid American malcontents who still comprise Manson´s core demographic.
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See, record companies are now nor have they ever been in the ´art´ business. Record companies are in the ´making money´ business and if an artist makes money, well and good. They can be indulged… to a point. If not, they get cut loose. There´s nothing intrinsically immoral about this – at least, it´s no more immoral than any other business in a capitalist society – it´s how they keep the shareholders happy.
 
See, record companies are now nor have they ever been in the ´art´ business. Record companies are in the ´making money´ business and if an artist makes money, well and good. They can be indulged… to a point. If not, they get cut loose. There´s nothing intrinsically immoral about this – at least, it´s no more immoral than any other business in a capitalist society – it´s how they keep the shareholders happy.
  
Manson has allways been a money maker: After selling 1,69 million copies of his ´96, ´Antichrist Superstar´, Manson mustered a ´mere´ 1,22 million in sales for the glam-gore sequel, ´98´s ´[[Mechanical Animals (album)|Mechanical Animals]]´. ´[[Holy_Wood_(In_the_Shadow_of_the_Valley_of_Death)|Holy Wood]]´, on the other hand, sold just over half a million albums: it didn´t lose money, but since the profits were lower than anticipated by the bean counters at Interscope´s parent company Universal, there was a certain amount of concern.
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Manson has allways been a money maker: After selling 1,69 million copies of his ´96, ´Antichrist Superstar´, Manson mustered a ´mere´ 1,22 million in sales for the glam-gore sequel, ´98´s ´Mechanical Animals´. ´Holy Wood´, on the other hand, sold just over half a million albums: it didn´t lose money, but since the profits were lower than anticipated by the bean counters at Interscope´s parent company Universal, there was a certain amount of concern.
  
 
On ´Holy Wood´, his huge, unruly post millennium album, Marilyn Manson deliberately set out to create a masterpiece. It was, he let it be known, going to be his ´white album´, referring to The Beatles´ eponymous ´68 double that is still as perplexing and infuriatingly brilliant 35 years on as it was the day it was released. Like that Beatles album, ´Holy Wood´ combined state of the art studio techniques and gimmickry with a back-to-basics heaviness. But there the similarities ended. History has a way of reassessing works of art that were failures – or percieved as failures – at the time, but somehow you don´t feel that it´s going to be very kind to ´Holy Wood´.
 
On ´Holy Wood´, his huge, unruly post millennium album, Marilyn Manson deliberately set out to create a masterpiece. It was, he let it be known, going to be his ´white album´, referring to The Beatles´ eponymous ´68 double that is still as perplexing and infuriatingly brilliant 35 years on as it was the day it was released. Like that Beatles album, ´Holy Wood´ combined state of the art studio techniques and gimmickry with a back-to-basics heaviness. But there the similarities ended. History has a way of reassessing works of art that were failures – or percieved as failures – at the time, but somehow you don´t feel that it´s going to be very kind to ´Holy Wood´.
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From the label´s perspective, the trouble with making records is that the artists tend to get in the way of the process: art is fickle and unpredictable. What they want are essentially puppets that can deliver product under budget that will recoup roughly 10 times the outlay in terms of overall sales. If the record is a work of art, well, that was an accident. So when Manson started outlining his plans for ´The Golden Age of Grotesque´ – collaborations with vidual artists, recreating the artistic spirit of Weimar Republic era Berlin, the Dadaist Cabaret Voltaires in post WWII Zurich, the dark glamour of early Hollywood, „a weird cross between Revolting Cocks and Ludacris” – you can picture the scenes in the label boardroom. „Jesus H Christ. It´s only a fucking heavy metal record! Tell him to shove his art up his fucking ass and give us a record full of catchy fucking pop songs that we can sell to fucking Johnny Skateboard at the Boisie, Idaho Wal Mart!” And in a sense that´s only what he´s gone and done…
 
From the label´s perspective, the trouble with making records is that the artists tend to get in the way of the process: art is fickle and unpredictable. What they want are essentially puppets that can deliver product under budget that will recoup roughly 10 times the outlay in terms of overall sales. If the record is a work of art, well, that was an accident. So when Manson started outlining his plans for ´The Golden Age of Grotesque´ – collaborations with vidual artists, recreating the artistic spirit of Weimar Republic era Berlin, the Dadaist Cabaret Voltaires in post WWII Zurich, the dark glamour of early Hollywood, „a weird cross between Revolting Cocks and Ludacris” – you can picture the scenes in the label boardroom. „Jesus H Christ. It´s only a fucking heavy metal record! Tell him to shove his art up his fucking ass and give us a record full of catchy fucking pop songs that we can sell to fucking Johnny Skateboard at the Boisie, Idaho Wal Mart!” And in a sense that´s only what he´s gone and done…
  
From the get go, Manson is delivering what both the record company and the fans want. ´[[This Is the New Shit|This Is The New Shit]]´ is a glittering piece of ugly-glam that seems to both celebrate and send up the Manson sound and the process of churning out ´angry´ rock´n´roll in the third millennium: „Babble, babble, bitch, bitch / Rebel, rebel, party, party / Sex, sex, sex, don´t forget the violence / Blah, blah, blah / Got your lovey-dovey sad and lonely / Stick your stupid slogan in / Everybody sing along / Are you motherfucking ready for the new shit? / Stand up and admit it, tomorrow´s never coming / This is the new shit / Stand up and admit it.”
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From the get go, Manson is delivering what both the record company and the fans want. ´This Is The New Shit´ is a glittering piece of ugly-glam that seems to both celebrate and send up the Manson sound and the process of churning out ´angry´ rock´n´roll in the third millennium: „Babble, babble, bitch, bitch / Rebel, rebel, party, party / Sex, sex, sex, don´t forget the violence / Blah, blah, blah / Got your lovey-dovey sad and lonely / Stick your stupid slogan in / Everybody sing along / Are you motherfucking ready for the new shit? / Stand up and admit it, tomorrow´s never coming / This is the new shit / Stand up and admit it.”
  
It may be giving the finger to people at the label, people in the media, anyone with expectations of what Manson is all about. ´[[Ka-boom_Ka-boom|Ka Boom Ka Boom]]´ is a reply to the A&R man who complained of the album having no ´ka-boom´. Now it does, motherfucker! All of that aside, ´The Golden Age of Grotesque´ is packed with classic Manson – as well as, unfortunately, one or two Manson-by-numbers tracks like ´The Bright Young Things´ – but he´s pleasing the crowds on his own terms.
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It may be giving the finger to people at the label, people in the media, anyone with expectations of what Manson is all about. ´Ka Boom Ka Boom´ is a reply to the A&R man who complained of the album having no ´ka-boom´. Now it does, motherfucker! All of that aside, ´The Golden Age of Grotesque´ is packed with classic Manson – as well as, unfortunately, one or two Manson-by-numbers tracks like ´The Bright Young Things´ – but he´s pleasing the crowds on his own terms.
  
 
„The story with the album and how it falls into place is very much how you hear it,” says Manson. „This Is The New Shit” was the first song that we wrote and what I sing is very much how I felt going in to make the album, faced with all the questions like, ´where do we go from here?´ And ´what can I say or do now?´. The first time I turned on the microphone in the studio these are the words that came out of my mouth. The song ends with the line, ´let us entertain you´ and then the album takes you off on this journey and ends up saying, ´I´m not ashamed that you´re entertained, but this not just a show, it´s my life.”
 
„The story with the album and how it falls into place is very much how you hear it,” says Manson. „This Is The New Shit” was the first song that we wrote and what I sing is very much how I felt going in to make the album, faced with all the questions like, ´where do we go from here?´ And ´what can I say or do now?´. The first time I turned on the microphone in the studio these are the words that came out of my mouth. The song ends with the line, ´let us entertain you´ and then the album takes you off on this journey and ends up saying, ´I´m not ashamed that you´re entertained, but this not just a show, it´s my life.”
  
Produced with [[Tim Skold]], ex of KMFDM who replaces [[Twiggy|Twiggy Ramirez]] (ironically KMFDM were one of the bands that the Columbine trenchcoat mafia actually were fans of; despite the media babble none of them were really big on Marilyn Manson) it isn´t layered in impenetrable gimmickry like ´Holy Wood´. It´s clean and basic.
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Produced with Tim Skold, ex of KMFDM who replaces Twiggy Ramirez (ironically KMFDM were one of the bands that the Columbine trenchcoat mafia actually were fans of; despite the media babble none of them were really big on Marilyn Manson) it isn´t layered in impenetrable gimmickry like ´Holy Wood´. It´s clean and basic.
  
The theme, as we´ve noted, never really gets in the way of the songs; in fact were it not for the album´s centrepiece, the title track ´[[The Golden Age of Grotesque (song)|The Golden Age of Grotesque]]´ itself, you´d be forgiven for thinking that it went no deeper than the art on the sleeve, that this album was just ´some songs´.
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The theme, as we´ve noted, never really gets in the way of the songs; in fact were it not for the album´s centrepiece, the title track ´The Golden Age of Grotesque´ itself, you´d be forgiven for thinking that it went no deeper than the art on the sleeve, that this album was just ´some songs´.
  
 
For all that he is an articulate performer and a challenging theatrical figure, Manson´s music has never been what you´d call adventurous. For all the big concepts, at the end of the day what he does is great heavy metal.
 
For all that he is an articulate performer and a challenging theatrical figure, Manson´s music has never been what you´d call adventurous. For all the big concepts, at the end of the day what he does is great heavy metal.
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„It has this Kurt Weill element, a Brecht inspiration. All of that went into the way we approach performance and the next tour, changing the rules and boundaries of the stage. All of that including the Dada inspiration comes from finding a place where the world run its course with creativity and you realise that the simplest thing is to disregard not just everybody else´s rules but your own rules too, to think like a child again and find the genious of imagination by letting go with reckless abandon. And that´s what we did on this. We´ve made a record that some poeple think is very accessible but to me we just wanted to make a record that pleased us.”
 
„It has this Kurt Weill element, a Brecht inspiration. All of that went into the way we approach performance and the next tour, changing the rules and boundaries of the stage. All of that including the Dada inspiration comes from finding a place where the world run its course with creativity and you realise that the simplest thing is to disregard not just everybody else´s rules but your own rules too, to think like a child again and find the genious of imagination by letting go with reckless abandon. And that´s what we did on this. We´ve made a record that some poeple think is very accessible but to me we just wanted to make a record that pleased us.”
  
But the rest of the album´s influences are slightly closer to us in time: it almost goes right back to the roots of goth, to the late 70s and early 80s, to the likes of early Bauhaus, Psychedelic Furs and Adam and the Ants just before they became pop stars (particularly on ´[[Doll-Dagga Buzz-Buzz Ziggety-Zag]]´) who were similarly drawn to Weimar cabaret, and art movements like Dada and Futurism.
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But the rest of the album´s influences are slightly closer to us in time: it almost goes right back to the roots of goth, to the late 70s and early 80s, to the likes of early Bauhaus, Psychedelic Furs and Adam and the Ants just before they became pop stars (particularly on ´Doll-Dagga Buzz-Buzz Ziggety-Zag´) who were similarly drawn to Weimar cabaret, and art movements like Dada and Futurism.
  
 
„That´s definitely a good staple from my past that probably bled out. The one special thing that I liked about that era is that there´s something really dark to those albums, that music. It was the first stuff that I gravitated to when I watched MTV as a kid. All of the songs were real poppy, but they were real dark. That´s something that you can never really recapture… especially in American music. It´s probabyl overlooked that all of those bands who made those great records throughout the 80s were all European.”
 
„That´s definitely a good staple from my past that probably bled out. The one special thing that I liked about that era is that there´s something really dark to those albums, that music. It was the first stuff that I gravitated to when I watched MTV as a kid. All of the songs were real poppy, but they were real dark. That´s something that you can never really recapture… especially in American music. It´s probabyl overlooked that all of those bands who made those great records throughout the 80s were all European.”
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Album opener ´This Is The New Shit´ is a preconception shattering „hold your horses!” to both critics and fans who no doubt have their own ideas of what a new Manson album SHOULD be. All whirring KMFDM drills, pseudo-Eminem beats and loud mechanised Rammsteinesque guitars, the ringmaster invites you to pull up a seat and „let us entertain you!” Anti-propaganda propaganda if you will, and you know how we all love hype and propaganda!
 
Album opener ´This Is The New Shit´ is a preconception shattering „hold your horses!” to both critics and fans who no doubt have their own ideas of what a new Manson album SHOULD be. All whirring KMFDM drills, pseudo-Eminem beats and loud mechanised Rammsteinesque guitars, the ringmaster invites you to pull up a seat and „let us entertain you!” Anti-propaganda propaganda if you will, and you know how we all love hype and propaganda!
  
´[[mOBSCENE]]´, the first single to be culled from ´The Golden Age of Grotesque´, is the invitation to the party-cum-Dada rally, coupling a ´Fight Song´ style groove with kooky cheerleader gang vocals, and ´Doll-Dagga Buzz-Buzz Ziggety.Zag´ serves as the predinner appetiser in a trippy Adam And The Ants vein. Where as ´Use Your Fist And Not Your Mouth´ takes the party out of the rathskeller and into the suburban home. A self-styled ´black-collar´ anthem for the dejected, denothing all is not well in Disneyland, before Manson rolls out the Grotesque Burlesque that is this album´s title track – a song which has as much in common with the Marquis De Sade as Marlene Dietrich. And it´s just like throwing acid in the Mona Lisa´s face!
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´mOBSCENE´, the first single to be culled from ´The Golden Age of Grotesque´, is the invitation to the party-cum-Dada rally, coupling a ´Fight Song´ style groove with kooky cheerleader gang vocals, and ´Doll-Dagga Buzz-Buzz Ziggety.Zag´ serves as the predinner appetiser in a trippy Adam And The Ants vein. Where as ´Use Your Fist And Not Your Mouth´ takes the party out of the rathskeller and into the suburban home. A self-styled ´black-collar´ anthem for the dejected, denothing all is not well in Disneyland, before Manson rolls out the Grotesque Burlesque that is this album´s title track – a song which has as much in common with the Marquis De Sade as Marlene Dietrich. And it´s just like throwing acid in the Mona Lisa´s face!
  
 
Indeed, it is this schizophrenic dichotomy of outward beauty vs inner sorrow that governs much of this album. And, unlike previous offerings, ´The Golden Age of Grotesque´ seems to be a lot less controversial – there are no obvious anthems decrying God and govenment here . and it actually seems to be more about Manson´s inner psyche.
 
Indeed, it is this schizophrenic dichotomy of outward beauty vs inner sorrow that governs much of this album. And, unlike previous offerings, ´The Golden Age of Grotesque´ seems to be a lot less controversial – there are no obvious anthems decrying God and govenment here . and it actually seems to be more about Manson´s inner psyche.
  
Take ´[[(s)AINT]]´ for example, with its refrain of „Hold the s because I am an ain´t” or ´Ka Boom Ka Boom´ with its ironic „I like a big car / Cos I´m a big star / I write a big rock´n´roll hit / I´d like to love you but my heart is a sore / I am I am I am so yours” or the anti-love song that is ´[[Spade]]´ („You drained my heart and made a spade”) – all very much in the vein of Marlene Dietrich´s ´Falling In Love Again´ („Men flock around me / Like moths around a flame, And if their wings burn / I know I´m not to blame / Falling in love again / Never wanted to / What am I to do? / I can´t help it”). This is a man on the edge – a fiend for the fans and fodder for the press. And as album closer ´[[Vodevil]]´ states „This isn´t a show / It´s my fucking life / I´m not ashamed / You´re entertained / but I´m not a puppet, I am a grenade”.
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Take ´(s)AINT´ for example, with its refrain of „Hold the s because I am an ain´t” or ´Ka Boom Ka Boom´ with its ironic „I like a big car / Cos I´m a big star / I write a big rock´n´roll hit / I´d like to love you but my heart is a sore / I am I am I am so yours” or the anti-love song that is ´Spade´ („You drained my heart and made a spade”) – all very much in the vein of Marlene Dietrich´s ´Falling In Love Again´ („Men flock around me / Like moths around a flame, And if their wings burn / I know I´m not to blame / Falling in love again / Never wanted to / What am I to do? / I can´t help it”). This is a man on the edge – a fiend for the fans and fodder for the press. And as album closer ´Vodevil´ states „This isn´t a show / It´s my fucking life / I´m not ashamed / You´re entertained / but I´m not a puppet, I am a grenade”.
  
 
Daniel Lane [9]
 
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The Young Gods – Play Kurt Weill (Play It Again Sam, 1991)
 
The Young Gods – Play Kurt Weill (Play It Again Sam, 1991)
 
V/A – September Songs (Sony, 1997)
 
V/A – September Songs (Sony, 1997)
 
==Trivia==
 
"Dani's Inferno" was a column Daniel Lane wrote for Metal Hammer. Later, Daniel Lane would go on to become Dani Filth of Cradle of Filth. <ref><small>[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dani_Filth ''wikipedia.org'']</small></ref>
 
 
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