Editing Interview:1997/01/03 Alternative Nation

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====The following interview was filmed 12th December 1996 and aired 3rd January 1997.<ref name="Angelfire/caspernet Article">[http://www.angelfire.com/in/caspernet/ma7.] Angelfire/caspernet Article</ref> ====
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:''Synopsis of setting: Square table in centre of room. A corner of this room is visible. [[Twiggy]] and [[Marilyn Manson|Marilyn]] are seated on the left side of the screen. Toby is on the right. There are candles on the table which light the room. Marilyn is wearing a black leather jacket a big fuzzy black hat and white/blue contact. Twiggy is wearing all black. They both have white foundation on. Only torsos are visible. Everyone has a drink.''

'''Toby Amies:''' Well, it's a bit spooky in here tonight with the twigster and mazza from [[Marilyn Manson]] joining us. Looks like, well, it's your birthday in 2 days, right?<br/>
'''Marilyn Manson:''' Yep.<br/>
'''Toby Amies:''' 5th of, 5th of January and, er, we're going to be watching a lot of.. they're going to be dark and gloomy videos, basically, aren't they?<br/>
'''Marilyn Manson:''' Or poorly shot ones.<br/>
'''Toby Amies:''' OK.<br/>
'''Marilyn Manson:''' Whatever the case may be.<br/>
'''Toby Amies:''' So, erm, just finished the [[Dead to the World Tour: Theater Leg|european tour]]. Success?<br/>
'''Marilyn Manson:''' Yeah, a lot of people, you know, warned me that, uh, they didn't like Europe and a lot of these other bands that we're friends with warned me that, but, uh, I think it's perfect for us. I mean, there's no sun and, uh, everybody seems pissed of about something, so..<br/>
'''Toby Amies:''' Mmmmm.<br/>
'''Marilyn Manson:''' It's good.<br/>
'''Toby Amies:''' Now, you don't seem to have picked up much of a tan since you've been here.<br/>
'''Marilyn Manson:''' No.<br/>
'''Toby Amies:''' Not really. So, erm, who else are we going to see tonight? Bauhaus?<br/>
'''Marilyn Manson:''' Uh, Sugarcubes, Joy division...<br/>
'''Twiggy Ramirez:''' Pixies.<br/>
'''Marilyn Manson:''' Pixies, Birthday Party, Iron Maiden<br/>
'''Toby Amies:''' Iron Maiden, really?<br/>
'''Marilyn Manson:''' If you got it. (Twiggy snickers)<br/>
'''Toby Amies:''' Run for the hills.So, uh, first one's going to be, um, Bauhaus and then after that it's two of these, well, some more beautiful people.<br/>
'''Toby Amies:''' Well, it's a very cheerful, jolly, happy Alternative Nation this evening, with these two gents who you might recognise from [[Marilyn Manson (band)|the band Marilyn Manson]]. So, Marilyn, can you give us a, like a very, sort of, a one and a half minute introduction to the Marilyn Manson world view?<br/>
'''Marilyn Manson:''' The world view?<br/>
'''Toby Amies:''' Yeah.<br/>
'''Marilyn Manson:''' Uh...<br/>
'''Toby Amies:''' 'Cause it's fairly unconventional.<br/>
'''Marilyn Manson:''' Yeah. Uh, Marilyn Manson has always, it was something that I started six years ago and the idea was always about taking extreme positive and neagtive and putting them together and creating something that was undefinable, something, you know, beauty and ugliness. Something that was stronger than the two that it was taken from and the Marilyn Monroe and Charles Manson were very, uh, strong icons from my childhood so I thought it was appropriate and a statement on American culture.<br/>
'''Toby Amies:''' Anti and Christ, that same kind of thing? Tell us about the [[Antichrist Superstar (ablum)|Antichrist Superstar]].<br/>
'''Marilyn Manson:''' That record is, uh, kind of an autobiography. It talks about, uh, past, present and future, you know, possible future and Antichrist Superstar is the name that I kind of describe, uh, the part of my personality, everybody's personality, that finally becomes hopeless and, uh, nihilistic and, uh, would rather just see everything destroyed but the album is really about finding faith in soemthing and, uh, and about the apocalypse, the way I see it, which is more on a mental level. People, uh, killing off the idea of believing in God and, uh, starting believing in themselves more.<br/>
'''Toby Amies:''' So it's kind of a Nietzchian world view?<br/>
'''Marilyn Manson:''' Yeah, very Nietzche.<br/>
'''Toby Amies:''' There we go. So, um, Nick The Stripper is going to be our next video. Any particular reason why?<br/>
'''Marilyn Manson:''' Uh, I always liked The Birthday Party, Bauhaus as well. That era of music was very inspirational to us and, uh, it's a good song.<br/>
'''Toby Amies:''' Alright. So, well, I imagine we'll be talking a bit about gothic rock when we return.See if you can guess why.<br/>
'''Toby Amies:''' So, um, tell us, this, this, there's a lot of stories about you, a lot of funny stories about you. Fill us in on the smoking human bones one, for the benefit of our readers, or our viewers even.<br/>
'''Marilyn Manson:''' Well, the British tabloids got that confused and they said that we were smoking, ah, human faeces but, erm, we wanted to clarify that it was human bones.<br/>
'''Toby Amies:''' Yeah. An important clarification, that one.<br/>
'''Marilyn Manson:''' Yeah. When we were living in New Orleans, uh, working on our album, uh, Twiggy, uh, became very fascinated with grave digging because the uh,<br/>
'''Toby Amies:''' As a profession or just as a little sort of hobby?<br/>
'''Twiggy Ramirez:''' Hobby.<br/>
'''Toby Amies:''' Right.<br/>
'''Marilyn Manson:''' What it, in New Orleans the ground is really, uh, deteriorated so bones are kind of just sticking out, you don't have to really dig up any graves and, uh, he started collecting them. Uh, they were stinking up the house, uh, and eventually when we went on tour,<br/>
'''Toby Amies:''' How fresh were the bones exactly?<br/>
'''Twiggy Ramirez:''' Eighteen hundreds or something.<br/>
'''Toby Amies:''' OK, right, yeah.<br/>
'''Marilyn Manson:''' We were at some, uh, trendy party in Los Angeles and, uh, there were these people who thought they were hip and we, uh, convinced them that smoking bones was, uh, was the new crack, if you will.<br/>
'''Toby Amies:''' Right.<br/>
'''Marilyn Manson:''' And, uh,<br/>
'''Toby Amies:''' Well, hold on, before we go any further, so somehow you transported the bones from New Orleans to Los Angeles?<br/>
'''Marilyn Manson:''' Yeah, well we,<br/>
'''Toby Amies:''' How do you get through, like you go through the X-ray machines? Nothing to declare, just some bones?<br/>
'''Twiggy Ramirez:''' Yeah, just put it in the luggage, it goes round ok.<br/>
'''Toby Amies:''' Right. OK.<br/>
'''Marilyn Manson:''' Yeah.<br/>
'''Toby Amies:''' So, you were at the party?<br/>
'''Marilyn Manson:''' Yeah. So, uh, we crunched up some bones and we passed them around and everybody smoked it and, uh, it smelled.<br/>
'''Twiggy Ramirez:''' It smelled like human hair if you, if you burn your hair, when you burn,<br/>
'''Toby Amies:''' Yeah.<br/>
'''Twiggy Ramirez:''' If you set your hair on fire.<br/>
'''Toby Amies:''' A kind of burned protein smell.<br/>
'''Marilyn Manson:''' And they all got sick and threw up and it made them feel, like, very bad so,<br/>
'''Toby Amies:''' But a good time was had by all that evening.<br/>
'''Marilyn Manson:''' We had a good time. (Twiggy lifts up one of the candles on the table)<br/>
'''Twiggy Ramirez:''' You should burn your eyebrows off.<br/>
'''Marilyn Manson:''' The people, the...<br/>
'''Toby Amies:''' What?<br/>
'''Twiggy Ramirez:''' Burn your eyebrows.<br/>
'''Toby Amies:''' No no no. I used to shave them but I don't burn them, burn anymore. (Twiggy motions the candle towards Toby)<br/>
'''Twiggy Ramirez:''' Ssssss.<br/>
'''Toby Amies:''' Yeah, it'll go up quickly.<br/>
'''Marilyn Manson:''' He's got quite a set of them, in fact.<br/>
'''Toby Amies:''' I'm a professional in the eyebrow department.<br/>
'''Twiggy Ramirez:''' Yeah.<br/>
'''Toby Amies:''' So the next video is, is, it's another fairly obvious choice isn't it?<br/>
'''Marilyn Manson:''' We were trying to help out your gothic special.<br/>
'''Toby Amies:''' So, it's Joy Division with Love Will Tear Us Apart. Another cheery one. I'm going to be really depressed after this.<br/>
'''Toby Amies:''' Um, so this is the, at this point I want to ask the question, neither of you have got any, you know, 4 REAL inscribed in your arm done by a razor blade.<br/>
'''Marilyn Manson:''' Have what inscribed? (Twiggy checks his arm)<br/>
'''Toby Amies:''' 4 REAL. It's a thing that Richey from the Manic Street Preachers did to, uh, to prove to a journalist that he meant everything that he said and some people might say that a) you're obvious, that your influences are a bit obvious and b) you're not really doing anything that hasn't been done before, you're just doing a bit more extreme. How do you, how do you respond to that kind of criticism?<br/>
'''Marilyn Manson:''' Uh, I don't think,<br/>
'''Toby Amies:''' You know what I'm saying?<br/>
'''Marilyn Manson:''' Yeah, I don't think anybody could do anything new at this point but, uh, I think that what's important is that you're good at what you do and, uh, you know, I think that our record stands on its own, uh, aside from all of the, you know, sensationalism that revolves around the band. I think that, uh, we made a great record that we're proud of and, uh, that's the best you can hope for, you know, there's not much else you can do.<br/>
'''Toby Amies:''' As, as far as that sensationalism is concerned, though, you play up to that quite a bit, though, don't you?<br/>
'''Marilyn Manson:''' Uh, usually for our own entertainment because, uh, it seems like, uh, people are always misunderstanding certain things or they really prove the point of Marilyn Manson because in a lot of ways, Marilyn Manson is a mockery of sensationalism, you know.<br/>
'''Toby Amies:''' Are you holding a mirror to society?<br/>
'''Marilyn Manson:''' Uh, we're usually snorting drugs off of it. (Toby laughs)<br/>
'''Toby Amies:''' And the odd chunk of bone.<br/>
'''Marilyn Manson:''' Yeah.<br/>
'''Toby Amies:''' I guess, once in a while. So, erm, what are we going to see next?<br/>
'''Marilyn Manson:''' Uh, Cop Shoot Cop<br/>
'''Toby Amies:''' Why are we going to see that?<br/>
'''Marilyn Manson:''' Uh, a friend of ours, Richard Kearns, shot that. It's a good video. Eeerie.<br/>
'''Toby Amies:''' We almost had Richard Kearns on the show.<br/>
'''Marilyn Manson:''' Yeah?<br/>
'''Toby Amies:''' For a bit but, er..<br/>
'''Marilyn Manson:''' You ever see those pictures that he had where, uh, with the girls with the candles sticking out of her, uh, what do you call it? Your 'bum'.<br/>
'''Toby Amies:''' No, I haven't actually.<br/>
'''Marilyn Manson:''' Check them out.<br/>
'''Toby Amies:''' Let's think of that whilst we watch Cop Shoot Cop.(Twiggy fumbles in his drink, takes the slice of lemon out)<br/>
'''Toby Amies:''' Um, so that was Cop Shoot Cop. This is, this is two of Marilyn Manson, so, um, Brian, when you were figuring out the names, did you have any other alternatives to Marilyn Manson? Same goes for you, Twiggy, same question. What were the other ones that were in the pot there?<br/>
'''Marilyn Manson:''' No, that was it, you know. Marilyn Manson best described everything I had to say and everything I, uh, feel like. Everything I was before that was a character that I had to portray and this is everything I always wanted to be since I was a kid.<br/>
'''Toby Amies:''' You, you're not going to do a [[David Bowie]] and go from Marilyn Manson into something else? Then what would you do?<br/>
'''Marilyn Manson:''' Oh, theres always Antichrist Superstar.<br/>
'''Toby Amies:''' Now that's a transformation you undergo on stage, right? (Twiggy squeezes the lemon over a candle. It flickers.)<br/>
'''Marilyn Manson:''' Uh, yeah. It's, uh, the album is translated into, uh, the show and, uh, it's about, uh, it's a statement about the totalitarianism of rock and roll. How people, uh, respond to superstars 'cause it's, uh, it's a lot of things to think about. It confuses some people. It scares some people but I like to make people think, so if they walk away and they may have learned something about themselves.<br/>
'''Toby Amies:''' Is, is that some hocus pocus you're cooking up there, Twiggy? (Candle goes out)<br/>
'''Toby Amies:''' See, it's gone out. Um, The Cult now. Why?<br/>
'''Marilyn Manson:''' Uh, this, I remember this being one of the first videos I ever saw on 120 minutes. It's not the greatest but it's, uh,<br/>
'''Toby Amies:''' It rocks.<br/>
'''Marilyn Manson:''' It's memorable.<br/>
'''Toby Amies:''' The Cult. We're doing well with that gothic rock special. We're not going to need to do it now.<br/>
'''Toby Amies:''' So, er, our co-hosts this evening on the Alternative Nation are Marilyn and Twiggy from spooky American, dare I call you a rock band?<br/>
'''Marilyn Manson:''' Uh, if it's not meant in a derogatory way.<br/>
'''Toby Amies:''' No!<br/>
'''Marilyn Manson:''' You can call us one.It's that, I think rock and roll is, you know, the best term for anything that you can come up with. Was it Billy Joel, it's only..? whatever his song was about. (Twiggy squeezes lemon over another candle, trying to light the juice. He fails and throws the candle across the table and sits back, arms folded)<br/>
'''Toby Amies:''' It's started, hasn't it? Bad behaviour. Um, I, you lost me there with Billy Joel.<br/>
'''Marilyn Manson:''' I got lost. Forget it.<br/>
'''Toby Amies:''' So, so what do you all get up to when you're on [[Marilyn Manson tours|tour]], on your bus and everything. What are the kind of high japes that Marilyn Manson,<br/>
'''Marilyn Manson:''' High Jinx?<br/>
'''Toby Amies:''' Yeah. Play tricks on each other? I know you hit everybody else in the band. Do you ever,<br/>
'''Twiggy Ramirez:''' Bunk bed pirates.<br/>
'''Toby Amies:''' What?<br/>
'''Twiggy Ramirez:''' Bunk bed pirates.<br/>
'''Toby Amies:''' Bunk bed pirates? Is that you all try and get up on top or what exactly, is that a euphemism for some erotic behaviour? (Marilyn laughs)<br/>
'''Marilyn Manson:''' Um, usually when we're not, uh, well there's live mice and things like that we like to put in one anothers bunks.<br/>
'''Toby Amies:''' Like Nosferatu, you travel with a lot of rats wherever you go.<br/>
'''Marilyn Manson:''' Uh, actually I thought that was Richard Gere.<br/>
'''Toby Amies:''' I think that's gerbils.<br/>
'''Twiggy Ramirez:''' It's more like the pied piper. They just follow our bus.<br/>
'''Toby Amies:''' Right. So do you play any tricks on him then, 'cause he's always hitting everybody else on stage?<br/>
'''Twiggy Ramirez:''' Tricks?<br/>
'''Toby Amies:''' Yeah.<br/>
'''Twiggy Ramirez:''' Cereal tricks? I don't know what you're talking about.<br/>
'''Marilyn Manson:''' Sometimes I'll, uh,<br/>
'''Twiggy Ramirez:''' Tricks?<br/>
'''Marilyn Manson:''' Toss a condom, he doesn't know what that is, I put that in his bunk. See if he'll use it.<br/>
'''Toby Amies:''' I was going to say is it a fresh one or a, uh,<br/>
'''Marilyn Manson:''' Well, both. That's also, once in a while I'll just lay one across his face but he doesn't know what those are, we can talk about it in front of him but it's like another language to him.<br/>
'''Toby Amies:''' Oh well, we'll keep that one between ourselves. In the meantime, uh, it's The Sugarcubes with Deus.<br/>
'''Toby Amies:''' Uh, welcome back to the Alternative Nation with Marilyn Manson this evening, hence the gloomy feel to the whole show. So you were just saying that you tried to get Bernard Butler to work on Antichrist Superstar.<br/>
'''Marilyn Manson:''' We were thinking about it, you know, we were, uh, our guitar player left at the beginning of the album and we were, er,<br/>
'''Toby Amies:''' Why was that? 'Cause he couldn't take the abuse?<br/>
'''Marilyn Manson:''' Er,<br/>
'''Toby Amies:''' You're mean to your co-musicians, aren't you?<br/>
'''Marilyn Manson:''' No,<br/>
'''Toby Amies:''' Throwing things at them, hitting them in the head?<br/>
'''Marilyn Manson:''' No, not at all, they fly,<br/>
'''Twiggy Ramirez:''' Actually I wouldn't let him write any songs for the new record so I took his four-track and put it in the microwave.<br/>
'''Toby Amies:''' The drummer's?<br/>
'''Twiggy Ramirez:''' His too. No, uh, him we set on fire.<br/>
'''Toby Amies:''' Oh right.<br/>
'''Marilyn Manson:''' No, the guitarist, he left because creatively he wasn't interested in what we were doing so, uh, we didn't know what we were going to do but we always liked the guitar playing on the first Suede album, you know.<br/>
'''Toby Amies:''' Who else would you like to work with? Billy Joel, obviously.<br/>
'''Marilyn Manson:''' Right.Uh, we met Gary Numan last night. He was, uh, quite a character. We did a cover of [[Down in the Park|Down In The Park]] in the past, prior to the Foo Fighters attempt at the same song.<br/>
'''Toby Amies:''' Anybody else?<br/>
'''Marilyn Manson:''' Guitar player wise?<br/>
'''Toby Amies:''' No, just anybody, anybody you'd like to work with.<br/>
'''Marilyn Manson:''' Uh,<br/>
'''Toby Amies:''' Oh, I see you've,<br/>
'''Marilyn Manson:''' Paul Dianno of Iron Maiden.<br/>
'''Twiggy Ramirez:''' Blackie Lawless of WASP.<br/>
'''Marilyn Manson:''' Yeah.<br/>
'''Toby Amies:''' Yeah?<br/>
'''Twiggy Ramirez:''' Sure.<br/>
'''Marilyn Manson:''' Daniel Ash.<br/>
'''Toby Amies:''' Daniel Ash?<br/>
'''Marilyn Manson:''' He's afraid of us.<br/>
'''Twiggy Ramirez:''' He's afraid of us.<br/>
'''Toby Amies:''' Why is Daniel Ash afraid of you?<br/>
'''Marilyn Manson:''' Uh, I don't know. Every time we run into him,<br/>
'''Twiggy Ramirez:''' He goes to run.<br/>
'''Marilyn Manson:''' He runs away from us and he told us that his name was Spider.<br/>
'''Twiggy Ramirez:''' He's, he's,<br/>
'''Toby Amies:''' Maybe it's too much deja vu when he sees you.<br/>
'''Twiggy Ramirez:''' He's, he's he came down when we were recording our record, stopped by the studio and, uh, they asked us for tea or something but we didn't have any.<br/>
'''Marilyn Manson:''' I think he might have had his pants off and that might have started the whole problem.<br/>
'''Toby Amies:''' Twiggy had his pants off?<br/>
'''Marilyn Manson:''' Yep.<br/>
'''Toby Amies:''' Again? Are you wearing pants this evening, Twiggy?<br/>
'''Twiggy Ramirez:''' No.<br/>
'''Toby Amies:''' Or just a nice pair of tights?<br/>
'''Twiggy Ramirez:''' just tights, yeah.<br/>
'''Toby Amies:''' Ok. Why tights not stockings?<br/>
'''Twiggy Ramirez:''' Uh, you can call them stockings,<br/>
'''Marilyn Manson:''' Crotch panel.<br/>
'''Toby Amies:''' Crotch panel?<br/>
'''Marilyn Manson:''' Crotch panel, very important.<br/>
'''Toby Amies:''' Gusset we call that in Europe.<br/>
'''Marilyn Manson:''' Yeah?<br/>
'''Toby Amies:''' Your gusset, yeah.<br/>
'''Twiggy Ramirez:''' Gusse<br/>
'''Toby Amies:''' teeth?<br/>
'''Toby Amies:''' Gusset teeth, album title, single title, something for you there. Erm, so next video now is erm,...I've forgotten. I know, it's my job. I'm sorry.<br/>
'''Marilyn Manson:''' What is it? (Off camera- Suede)<br/>
'''Twiggy Ramirez:''' Slayer. Seasons In The Abyss. (Twiggy is still playing with his lemon.)<br/>
'''Marilyn Manson:''' What is it? Slayer?<br/>
'''Toby Amies:''' Oh, it's Suede.<br/>
'''Twiggy Ramirez:''' Seasons In The Abyss.<br/>
'''Toby Amies:''' You want Slayer?<br/>
'''Marilyn Manson:''' Well, actually I'd like to hear Suede doing a cover of Raining Blood by Slayer.<br/>
'''Toby Amies:''' Right.<br/>
'''Marilyn Manson:''' I think they could add a new,<br/>
'''Twiggy Ramirez:''' But they should audition a new guitar player in the position that Blackie Lawless plays on a sitar.<br/>
'''Toby Amies:''' Right, there you go. Sitar?<br/>
'''Twiggy Ramirez:''' Yeah.<br/>
'''Toby Amies:''' Ok, so given a choice between Slayer or Suede, which, you know,<br/>
'''Marilyn Manson:''' Sorry, I'm going to have to go with Suede I think.<br/>
'''Toby Amies:''' Alright.<br/>
'''Marilyn Manson:''' Very attractive gentleman.<br/>
'''Toby Amies:''' Er, that was Suede and now, by way of a link, erm, how long does it take you two to get ready in the morning, as a rule?<br/>
'''Marilyn Manson:''' Er, it took me ten minutes today.<br/>
'''Toby Amies:''' Yeah?<br/>
'''Marilyn Manson:''' Yeah. But that's because I fell asleep looking just like this about five minutes before I had to get up because I was up all night,<br/>
'''Toby Amies:''' You were hanging out with the stars last night, weren't you?<br/>
'''Marilyn Manson:''' Sorting out human bones to smoke and things like that.<br/>
'''Toby Amies:''' Did you bring any with you?<br/>
'''Marilyn Manson:''' I was looking for the Spice Girls, actually.<br/>
'''Toby Amies:''' You know, I was thinking about you and the Spice Girls, that that would be an interesting combination.<br/>
'''Marilyn Manson:''' Mmmmmm.<br/>
'''Toby Amies:''' Maybe a remix or something in the future.<br/>
'''Marilyn Manson:''' Mmmmmm.<br/>
'''Toby Amies:''' You've all got a lot in common, I think. You're kind of the American equivalent, male-wise, of what the Spice Girls, er, but no, just ten minutes, that's it?<br/>
'''Marilyn Manson:''' It could go,<br/>
'''Toby Amies:''' 'Cause it looks like there's quite a lot of work that goes into this look that you've both got here.<br/>
'''Marilyn Manson:''' Uh, it comes very naturally. Ugliness is in our genes.<br/>
'''Toby Amies:''' Oh! I wouldn't say it was ugly. Different. So, er, we're going to see Daisy Chainsaw in a second, er, but, er, what I'd like to know is, you know that thing we were talking about you playing up to people's opinions of you?<br/>
'''Marilyn Manson:''' M<br/>
'''Marilyn Manson:''' hmm.<br/>
'''Toby Amies:''' Erm, is that quite a big joke for you? Do you find it quite funny that people take you so seriously?<br/>
'''Marilyn Manson:''' Um, sometimes, you know, it depends. The music is very sincere and so are a lot of my ideals, it's just, uh, when people start to sensationalise things, uh, I usually just like to add gas to the fire because most of the time they don't know what they're talking about so you might as well make a fool out of them if they're, you know.<br/>
'''Toby Amies:''' And sell a lot more records in the process as well.<br/>
'''Marilyn Manson:''' Ah, that never hurts.<br/>
'''Toby Amies:''' No. So, are you a musician first and foremost or is it more because of that philosophical angle that you've touched on briefly? Is that the reason you're doing it, is to get a message out, or is it to get music out?<br/>
'''Marilyn Manson:''' Ah, it's a combination of the two, you know. I've always, all the things that I liked growing up weren't just great songs, there was also a personality behind it. Things like you mentioned David Bowie and Alice Cooper and, you know Black Sabbath. Even Eurythmics, you know, um,<br/>
'''Toby Amies:''' A bit of Boyd Rice in there as well, isn't there?<br/>
'''Marilyn Manson:''' Boyd Rice?<br/>
'''Toby Amies:''' Yeah.<br/>
'''Marilyn Manson:''' Boyd Rice, yeah, not so bad.<br/>
'''Twiggy Ramirez:''' Is that a dish?<br/>
'''Toby Amies:''' Non.<br/>
'''Marilyn Manson:''' Non?<br/>
'''Toby Amies:''' Boyd Rice. No, that's boiled rice.<br/>
'''Marilyn Manson:''' Yeah.<br/>
'''Toby Amies:''' But boiled rice is, yeah,<br/>
'''Marilyn Manson:''' He's actually a friend of ours.<br/>
'''Toby Amies:''' That makes sense.<br/>
'''Marilyn Manson:''' He's not a bad fellow. People think he's a bad guy as well, but he's, uh,<br/>
'''Toby Amies:''' That's his choice of uniform generally. So, uh, it's a bit more cheerful now.<br/>
'''Toby Amies:''' But it's not all doom and gloom and smoking human bones and smelling children and being Antichrist Superstar, is it?<br/>
'''Marilyn Manson:''' No, not always, you know. Sometimes we might like to go to the mall, shopping centre.<br/>
'''Toby Amies:''' Frighten little children.<br/>
'''Marilyn Manson:''' I used to actually,<br/>
'''Toby Amies:''' Is this, is this a twenty four hour a day look for both of you or do you ever have off days?<br/>
'''Twiggy Ramirez:''' We dress up in costumes, yeah.<br/>
'''Marilyn Manson:''' Yeah, sometimes we dress up in costumes.<br/>
'''Twiggy Ramirez:''' Wear a pair of jeans and<br/>
'''Toby Amies:''' shirts and go to the mall. Is there malls here?<br/>
'''Toby Amies:''' There are. We call them shopping centres.<br/>
'''Marilyn Manson:''' I have this costume that I wore, yesterday, actually, and I had these green corduroys and, uh, it was a Judas Priest concert shirt and a, a pair of mirrored sunglasses and I had a fake moustache and I went out and, uh, people didn't know.<br/>
'''Toby Amies:''' They thought you were Rob Halford.<br/>
'''Marilyn Manson:''' Yeah.<br/>
'''Toby Amies:''' Yeah.<br/>
'''Marilyn Manson:''' I got propositioned.<br/>
'''Toby Amies:''' So, you, you got propositioned?<br/>
'''Marilyn Manson:''' Yeah, by Twiggy. Well, he thought I was Rob Halford.<br/>
'''Toby Amies:''' Right. I thought Twiggy was having sex with all of Fluffy. Aren't you?<br/>
'''Twiggy Ramirez:''' I'm pretty,<br/>
'''Marilyn Manson:''' Shhh! If he was, (whispers: he doesnt know about, uh, you know.)<br/>
'''Toby Amies:''' He doesn't know about it?<br/>
'''Marilyn Manson:''' No.<br/>
'''Twiggy Ramirez:''' About what?<br/>
'''Toby Amies:''' Fluffy. You. The rumours.<br/>
'''Twiggy Ramirez:''' Who's Fluffy?<br/>
'''Toby Amies:''' Your support. So to speak. (Twiggy shrugs, looks blank.)<br/>
'''Toby Amies:''' OK.<br/>
'''Marilyn Manson:''' It goes with those condom things.<br/>
'''Toby Amies:''' Yeah. We'll close that subject.<br/>
'''Twiggy Ramirez:''' I don't know who that is.<br/>
'''Toby Amies:''' You're going to be playing with them. Or you played with them, as far as we're concerned right now.<br/>
'''Twiggy Ramirez:''' I played with them?<br/>
'''Toby Amies:''' Yeah. It's kind of a boiled rice thing. (Twiggy laughs)<br/>
'''Toby Amies:''' Well we're getting the wind up side, ok, and I've forgotten what I was going to say so we'll not, we'll watch the next video which is going to be,<br/>
'''Marilyn Manson:''' What is it? Oh, The Pixies.<br/>
'''Toby Amies:''' What did we decide on? Oh, it's The Pixies.<br/>
'''Marilyn Manson:''' Monkey's Gone To Heaven.<br/>
'''Twiggy Ramirez:''' Actually, pixie, uh, pixie sticks and you just open up the top and you pour the sugar out and you cut the other side and you can snort them. It's pretty exciting.<br/>
'''Marilyn Manson:''' Yeah.<br/>
'''Toby Amies:''' Yeah. That's logical.<br/>
'''Marilyn Manson:''' And you can do it at elementary school as well because, you know,<br/>
'''Toby Amies:''' No, no, you know. You see now you're taking it too far.<br/>
'''Twiggy Ramirez:''' Plus, it's not illegal.<br/>
'''Toby Amies:''' No, I know. it's not smart, though, is it? It's a bad habit to get in to.<br/>
'''Marilyn Manson:''' It's just sugar. Twiggy(with mimes)- Bite one, pour it out.<br/>
'''Marilyn Manson:''' Pixie sticks,<br/>
'''Toby Amies:''' Those poor kids won't have any septums left by the time they're older.<br/>
'''Marilyn Manson:''' Yeah.<br/>
'''Toby Amies:''' It's The Pixies.<br/>
'''Toby Amies:''' So the, so Twiggy, you're not going to tell us anything about Fluffy, but please tell me what you got up to in Evan Dando's bathtub.<br/>
'''Twiggy Ramirez:''' Well, he wasn't in the bathtub.<br/>
'''Toby Amies:''' No, but it was his bathtub.<br/>
'''Twiggy Ramirez:''' As a matter of fact, I don't even think he was there. I was in New York city and it was one of those late nights, it was about two o'clock in the afternoon and erm,<br/>
'''Toby Amies:''' Very late night.<br/>
'''Twiggy Ramirez:''' For some reason I was at Evan Dando's apartment, these girls, and I went to use the bathroom and the toilet was stuffed up so I just shit in the tub and, uh, left about two minutes later.<br/>
'''Toby Amies:''' Nice little present for Evan.<br/>
'''Twiggy Ramirez:''' I've never met him. I've nothing against him, I just,<br/>
'''Toby Amies:''' I bet he's got something against you now.<br/>
'''Twiggy Ramirez:''' He probably smoked it, actually, if I'm not mistaken. (Toby laughs) Probably smoked the, smoked the poop. That's where the human faeces story came from, actually. It was, it was our faeces that was smoked, by Evan Dando.<br/>
'''Marilyn Manson:''' Yeah.<br/>
'''Toby Amies:''' I understand if you dry it, it's a little like banana skins.<br/>
'''Twiggy Ramirez:''' If you dry it, it's a little bit like hash. Can we say that on TV?<br/>
'''Toby Amies:''' Hash?<br/>
'''Twiggy Ramirez:''' Yeah.<br/>
'''Toby Amies:''' Yeah, no problem. People watch in Holland. So, were you going to add something then?<br/>
'''Marilyn Manson:''' Oh, no. Mm<br/>
'''Marilyn Manson:''' mmmm. No. I wasn't there.<br/>
'''Toby Amies:''' What's the worst thing you've done to another pop star?<br/>
'''Marilyn Manson:''' Uh,<br/>
'''Twiggy Ramirez:''' Besides giving them venereal disease?<br/>
'''Marilyn Manson:''' Had anal sex with them?<br/>
'''Toby Amies:''' Besides?<br/>
'''Twiggy Ramirez:''' The venereal disease.<br/>
'''Marilyn Manson:''' I think that's as bad as it can go for me.<br/>
'''Toby Amies:''' Any, want to name any names? It's late at night.<br/>
'''Marilyn Manson:''' Oh, no. I'll let them name me.<br/>
'''Toby Amies:''' Alright.<br/>
'''Marilyn Manson:''' They might be watching.<br/>
'''Toby Amies:''' If they are watching, I'm sure they know who they were.<br/>
'''Marilyn Manson:''' Yes, it's,<br/>
'''Toby Amies:''' I'm sure it's a fairly unforgettable experience. Certainly made me a bit nervous. Erm, so the next video, (Off Camera- Iron Maiden)<br/>
'''Toby Amies:''' Sorry? (Off Camera- Iron Maiden(laughs))<br/>
'''Marilyn Manson:''' That's your first band.<br/>
'''Twiggy Ramirez:''' Your first band (laughs)<br/>
'''Toby Amies:''' You know, I was a fan. You've got run for the hills, any other, do you want to list all the other metal bands that you, er, that you still like? I'm guessing Ozzy Osbourne.<br/>
'''Twiggy Ramirez:''' Grim Reaper.<br/>
'''Toby Amies:''' Grim Reaper? Rothchild? Remember them?<br/>
'''Twiggy Ramirez:''' Oh yeah.<br/>
'''Toby Amies:''' Fine English band.<br/>
'''Marilyn Manson:''' Well, see, he actually was, uh,<br/>
'''Twiggy Ramirez:''' I was,<br/>
'''Marilyn Manson:''' Was a studio musician on the first WASP album. He played, uh, all of Blackie Lawless's bass lines. Most people don't like to talk about that because a lot of people get really upset because they,<br/>
'''Toby Amies:''' Blackie Lawless especially, I imagine.<br/>
'''Marilyn Manson:''' Yeah, in particular. So, yeah, actually after the record went platinum,<br/>
'''Twiggy Ramirez:''' I was in love with him too.<br/>
'''Marilyn Manson:''' Blackie Lawless's codpiece with the sawblade, he gave it to him because they were lovers for a while, I think, or something of that sort, and uh, so he has that somewhere.<br/>
'''Toby Amies:''' Then, of course, there's your time as Billy Joel's backing singer as well. You were kind of Sheryl Crow to his Michael Jackson.<br/>
'''Marilyn Manson:''' Yeah, a little Paula Abdul to Janet Jackson.<br/>
'''Toby Amies:''' Rocking out. Ok. So.<br/>
'''Toby Amies:''' So that was Dope Hat from them, kind of, and, uh, that's it, really, isn't it? This is the last bit. So, just finished the European tour, what are you going to do? Go back and spend the profits?<br/>
'''Marilyn Manson:''' We're, uh,<br/>
'''Toby Amies:''' You must be quite rich by now, mustn't you? Your albums really high in the Billboard charts in the states, the cash has got to have started rolling in.<br/>
'''Marilyn Manson:''' No. Not a dime.<br/>
'''Twiggy Ramirez:''' Spent it all.<br/>
'''Toby Amies:''' Yeah?<br/>
'''Marilyn Manson:''' Spent it all.<br/>
'''Toby Amies:''' What on? Clothes?<br/>
'''Marilyn Manson:''' Well, I spend it on condoms that I keep trying to give him.<br/>
'''Toby Amies:''' Right.<br/>
'''Marilyn Manson:''' He spent it on, um,<br/>
'''Toby Amies:''' Flowers?<br/>
'''Marilyn Manson:''' Dio records.<br/>
'''Toby Amies:''' Right. You've got some sort of story about Dio, haven't you?<br/>
'''Marilyn Manson:''' Well, that's actually how we met, uh, Trent, who produced our album. It was in Cleveland at a Dio concert and this was back when Trent used to have a moustache.<br/>
'''Twiggy Ramirez:''' Cowboy hat, too, before the moustache.<br/>
'''Toby Amies:''' Did you ever see any of the legendary early Trent Reznor synth-pop shows, then, is that what you're saying?<br/>
'''Marilyn Manson:''' Uh, this was even before he was in synth-pop when he, uh,<br/>
'''Twiggy Ramirez:''' This was in the seventies.<br/>
'''Marilyn Manson:''' He had a moustache and he was really into Dio.<br/>
'''Toby Amies:''' Was it a Midge Ure or was it like a handle bar? (Toby mimes moustache size)<br/>
'''Marilyn Manson:''' It was like a Frank Zappa.<br/>
'''Toby Amies:''' Really? Frank Zappa, sort of James Hetfield sort?<br/>
'''Marilyn Manson:''' Or maybe even, uh, Freddie Mercury.<br/>
'''Toby Amies:''' Really?<br/>
'''Marilyn Manson:''' I would go as far as to say. 'Cause it had a little bit of a,<br/>
'''Twiggy Ramirez:''' Homosexual vibe to it.<br/>
'''Marilyn Manson:''' A little bend, a little twist.<br/>
'''Toby Amies:''' Oh, had some kink to it.<br/>
'''Marilyn Manson:''' Yeah, so we, uh, we met him there and we were doing the record. I reminded him that, and we actually got him to grow a moustache. So while we were recording Antichrist Superstar, Trent had a moustache. Sometimes you can hear that in the production of some of the songs, you can hear it,<br/>
'''Toby Amies:''' You can hear it rasping against the faders or something?<br/>
'''Marilyn Manson:''' Yeah.<br/>
'''Toby Amies:''' That, that's nice. So are you going to be making another record in the, uh, in the near future?<br/>
'''Marilyn Manson:''' Uh, if, uh, if we're not all dead we might go ahead and make another one.<br/>
'''Toby Amies:''' Oh, why would you all go and die on us?<br/>
'''Twiggy Ramirez:''' Well, everyone's going to die.<br/>
'''Toby Amies:''' Yeah, eventually. No, I mean soon? Armageddon, is that what you're referring, so I mean, I guess,<br/>
'''Twiggy Ramirez:''' You could call it that.<br/>
'''Toby Amies:''' What, we're going to be two years away from the year 2000. Is that when it's coming or is it coming early or later?<br/>
'''Twiggy Ramirez:''' 97<br/>
'''Toby Amies:''' Is that because you're sort of speeding the process up or,?<br/>
'''Marilyn Manson:''' We just push the fast forward button.<br/>
'''Toby Amies:''' Right.<br/>
'''Marilyn Manson:''' You know, why bother waiting?<br/>
'''Toby Amies:''' Yep, because,<br/>
'''Marilyn Manson:''' 'Cause all that's going to happen is that there's going to be another Pearl Jam record that we'll dislike and there's gonna be,<br/>
'''Toby Amies:''' You think you've got problems with Pearl Jam, you should listen to what we've got in England.<br/>
'''Marilyn Manson:''' What you got here?<br/>
'''Toby Amies:''' I'm not even going to mention it.<br/>
'''Marilyn Manson:''' Dio?<br/>
'''Toby Amies:''' No (whispers:Ocean Colour Scene)<br/>
'''Marilyn Manson:''' Kula Shaker?<br/>
'''Toby Amies:''' (Oasis)<br/>
'''Twiggy Ramirez:''' Dio?<br/>
'''Toby Amies:''' (no, Kula Shaker, it's hell)<br/>
'''Marilyn Manson:''' I like Oasis because I keep reading these interviews and they talk about, uh, sex with minors and, uh, drug use,<br/>
'''Twiggy Ramirez:''' I never heard the record but I got about five copies of it, somehow. That's probably why they sold so many but I like their interviews.<br/>
'''Toby Amies:''' Sell it. Yeah, they give good byte, you know. So when, when are we going to expect another record from you, then?<br/>
'''Marilyn Manson:''' I think you're being a little pushy. This one just came out seven weeks ago. (Twiggy sneakily steals a candle)<br/>
'''Toby Amies:''' I know but it's going to be a while 'til you come back to Europe, isn't it?<br/>
'''Twiggy Ramirez:''' We're going to put one out, um, a week ago.<br/>
'''Toby Amies:''' You're going to put one out a week ago, I like your approach to time, there Twiggy. Erm, so, alright, we'll, we'll see you when you get back to Europe I guess. Thanks very much.<br/>
'''Marilyn Manson:''' We're doing a new video.<br/>
'''Toby Amies:''' OK.<br/>
'''Marilyn Manson:''' Which will actually be out in about a week.<br/>
'''Toby Amies:''' Super.<br/>
'''Marilyn Manson:''' Tourniquet.<br/>
'''Toby Amies:''' Tourniquet.<br/>
'''Marilyn Manson:''' Yes.<br/>
'''Toby Amies:''' I've heard that song. It's a bit (rubs arm), it's a twister, isn't it?<br/>
'''Twiggy Ramirez:''' Actually, Ronnie James Dio wrote it for us.<br/>
'''Toby Amies:''' Yeah? Cheers. Picture of Trent Reznor with a 'tache on the cover maybe? (mimes moustache)<br/>
'''Marilyn Manson:''' (shakes head) It's not a pretty sight, you know, and a lot of, sadly a lot of the people that are watching this show will be very depressed when they do actually, in his new video, I think he'll, everyone will get to see that moustache.<br/>
'''Toby Amies:''' Good, ok. Thanks for coming.<br/>
'''Twiggy Ramirez:''' Actually, Ronnie James Dio and Trent Reznor are the same person.<br/>
'''Toby Amies:''' Really?<br/>
'''Twiggy Ramirez:''' Yeah.<br/>
'''Marilyn Manson:''' Ronnie James Reznor. (Toby laughs.)<br/>
'''Twiggy Ramirez:''' Reznor was in Rainbow, he was in Black Sabbath, he was in Dio,<br/>
'''Toby Amies:''' Rothchild.<br/>
'''Twiggy Ramirez:''' Lock Up The Wolves.<br/>
'''Toby Amies:''' Bolt Thrower, Striper, and on that cheerful note, we'll leave you with Devo.<br/>
'''Twiggy Ramirez:''' Dio.<br/>
'''Toby Amies:''' And, uh, next week, James from the Manic Street Preachers. It gets better and better.<br/>
'''Marilyn Manson:''' Jimmy, we like to call him.<br/>
'''Toby Amies:''' Yeah?<br/>

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