Talk:The Fight Song

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The death of one is a tragedy — the original[edit]

I've just seen that the line «The death of one is a tragedy» was stated as a quote of Josef Stalin. It's a continual and not obvious mistake. In truth this quote is taken from Erich Maria Remarque's novel The Black Obelisk (1956) though it's almost always referred as a Stalin's quote.

  1. The death of one man is a tragedy, the death of millions is a statistic

Here is a quote from WikiQuote:

    The quotation most likely comes from The Black Obelisk (Der schwarze Obelisk) by Erich Maria Remarque written
    in 1956: Wir starren in das Abendrot. Der Zug pufft schwarz und verloren heran wie eine Begräbniskutsche. Sonderbar,
    denke ich, wir alle haben doch so viele Tote im Kriege gesehen, und wir wissen, daß über zwei Millionen von uns
    nutzlos gefallen sind — warum sind wir da so erregt wegen eines einzelnen, und die zwei Millionen haben wir schon
    fast vergessen? Aber das ist wohl so, weil ein einzelner immer der Tod ist — und zwei Millionen immer nur eine Statistik.
    The earliest mention of the quotation when it was attributed to Stalin that I managed to find is a New York Times'
    article (1958) - Unwritten Pages at the End of the Diary; ANNE FRANK: A Portrait in Courage. By Ernst Schnabel.
    Translated by Richard and Clara Winston from the German "Anne Frank: Spur Eines Kindes." Illustrated. 192 pp.
    New York: Harcourt, Brace & Co.
    " A SINGLE death is a tragedy, a million deaths is a statistic." Stalin's epigram is admirably illustrated by
    Ernst Schnabel's pointilliste portrait of Anne Frank during the few months she lived after the last entry
    in her diary, Aug. 1, 1944. [ END OF FIRST PARAGRAPH ]

Also you can find the following link for Erich Maria Remarque's quotes (I didn't look for the novel).

  1. Erich Maria Remarque on WikiQuote
    * Aber das ist wohl so, weil ein einzelner immer der Tod ist — und zwei Millionen immer nur eine Statistik.
    ** The death of one man is a tragedy, the death of millions is a statistic.
    *** Der schwarze Obelisk (1956)
    *** This quote has also been attributed to Joseph Stalin, but no source for this has been found.

I don't understand the German language, but I'm almost sure that und zwei Millionen means and two millions. So The Fight Song borrows a modified Remarque's quote.

(scarshock 07:32, 13 July 2009 (UTC))

Radio Edit?[edit]

Did you mean Radio Edit here? (scarshock 18:02, 27 April 2010 (UTC))

Isn't the radio edit and the clean version the same thing????? Yawaraey 18:22, 27 April 2010 (UTC)

Last time I listened to the single I think I remember the clean version being the same cut as the album version, but it's been awhile... Alden Weston talk forum profile 18:33, 27 April 2010 (UTC)

Nietzsche inspired?[edit]

Where did that come from? The line "I'm not a slave to a god that doesn't exist" has nothing to do with Nietzsche and the 'link' concerning Holy Wood and Death Valley's conflict with Master-Slave is tenuous at best. Also, I am aware that Manson wiki hosts several of MM's music videos (and other MM-related vids) on Youtube. Is it possible to put them in the articles? -Red marquis 10:00, 24 August 2010 (UTC)

This article was written before my time, however, I think I recall seeing a youtube interview in which Manson states Nietzsche as being inspiration. While not a direct copy of the lyric, Nietzsche has been quoted with the following:
"The only excuse for god is that he doesn't exist."
Also, are you familiar with Neitzche's Zur Genealogie der Moral? Nietzsche suggests Christian morality is a "slave" morality, "vengeful, bitter & filled with self loathing.‡-me-‡ - MansonWiki Admin 10:41, 24 August 2010 (UTC)

Regarding the youtube, yes it is possible to put them in articles so long as they don't infringe on copyright. ‡-me-‡ - MansonWiki Admin 10:44, 24 August 2010 (UTC)

If you are wondering "how" to embed the video into an article use this tag <youtube> </youtube> in the link of the youtube video, paste whatever comes after v=

Example Take only after watch?v= and insert it in the tag <youtube> </youtube> 9GFI6Rf-IkI [god]speed -MansonWiki Admin 10:59, 24 August 2010 (UTC)

I don't understand why you remove that it was inspired by Nietzsche, anyone who has read anything more than quotes by Nietzsche can see the parallels between the lyrics of I'm not a slave to a god that doesn't exist to the passage I've quoted below.
  • In The Twilight of the Gods (Götzen-Dämmerung, 1888) he wrote,

'I call Christianity the one great curse, the one enormous and innermost perversion, the one great instinct of revenge, for which no means are too venomous, too underhand, too underground and too petty — I call it the one immortal blemish of mankind. ... The only excuse for God is that he doesn't exist.

[god]speed -MansonWiki Admin 11:21, 24 August 2010 (UTC)

Sorry about that. I didn't see your replies until now. I'll put back the Nietzsche line.

Red marquis 11:28, 24 August 2010 (UTC)