Talk:Marilyn Manson tours

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Tours and Tour Legs Categories[edit]

At the moment there is only one major [[Category:Tour Dates]] category for live performance articles. There are few minor valuable categories too, but is it reasonable to make more major categories like '''[[Category:''Tour Name'']] and '''[[Category:''Tour Leg Name'']]? (scarshock 16:24, 11 December 2009 (UTC))

Excellent! I can do it with these categories (for THEoL tour):
[[Category:Tour Dates]] [[Category:The High End of Low Tour]] [[Category:The High End of Low European Festival Tour]]
This is sample for 2009/06/03 Brno, Czech Republic. --M1shael 14:55, 15 December 2009 (UTC)
Great! Not bad if you have some free time. I think this idea can please everyone making the tours, tour legs and tour dates more consistent. I've just checked a random NIN wiki page regarding to the NIN tour dates, and I saw NIN wiki editors used the same approach categorizing the tour dates. Would you do it, M1shael? Then we could evaluate a further attempt of the consistent development for the MansonWiki. (scarshock 15:16, 15 December 2009 (UTC))

My last editing[edit]

This month we've got a few new editors here. But it seems somewhat strange that they do not take into consideration the long-term unwritten law article editing rules. Especially I can't see the reason of creating the articles for performances that have not taken place yet, though it breaks the edit chronology. ))) I'm not sure I have a lot of strength to remain a MansonWiki editor and keep an eye on wikification for a lot of newer and newer edits. So I've decided that this edit would become the last edit. Thank you collaboration, Litso, Vixen Windstorm, Lagozzino, Damc-321, M1shael, I4igo and Yawaraey. I love you. P.S. I can't get why I have edited just the page (probably because of the tour performances that have not taken place yet). :D Sorry. ))) (scarshock 09:07, 19 December 2009 (UTC))

New Table[edit]

Tour Duration Location
Guns, God and Government Tour
Guns, God and Government North American Tour 2000/10/272001/01/13 North America
Guns, God and Government Spring European Tour 2001/01/212001/02/24 Europe
Guns, God and Government Spring Japan Tour 2001/03/112001/03/20 Japan
Grotesk Burlesk
Grotesk Burlesk Spring European Tour 2003/04/112003/06/21 Europe

What do you think about new table for tours section? I have seen this here. --M1shael 09:34, 22 January 2010 (UTC)

That's Pretty Sexy... I Rike It A Lot M1shael.... :) godspeed 14:01, 22 January 2010 (UTC)

If you really like it, can I change the current version of the table on new version? --M1shael 15:44, 22 January 2010 (UTC)

I like it, because it gives access to the tour leg pages a lot faster than the old way, but I'm a bit afraid it'll be so long that it's going to miss it's point.. Especially the more recent tours have seen so many tour legs it will be a very long list. Also you wont be able to see from and to what dates the entire tour spanned.. Will it still be usable enough? Maybe we could find a way to have the current list include expand-buttons that reveal the legs when clicked.. Also the Unabridged Dates part on ninwiki is a bit overkill. You dont need a section/header for every single unabridged tour date. Litso 21:20, 22 January 2010 (UTC)

New Table No. 15[edit]

Tour Leg Duration Location
Guns, God and Government Tour

2000/10/27 Minneapolis, MN2001/09/02 Hildesheim, Germany

Guns, God and Government North American Tour 2000/10/272001/01/13 North America
Guns, God and Government Spring European Tour 2001/01/212001/02/24 Europe
Guns, God and Government Spring Japan Tour 2001/03/112001/03/20 Japan
Guns, God and Government Ozzfest 2001 Tour 2001/06/082001/08/12 North America
Guns, God and Government Autumn Japan Tour 2001/08/182001/08/19 Japan
Guns, God and Government Autumn European Tour 2001/08/222001/09/02 Europe
Grotesk Burlesk Tour

2003/04/11 Berlin, Germany2003/12/27 Auburn Hills, MI

Grotesk Burlesk Spring European Tour 2003/04/112003/06/21 Europe
Grotesk Burlesk Ozzfest 2003 Tour 2003/06/282003/08/28 North America
Grotesk Burlesk Australian Tour 2003/09/132003/09/20 Australia
Grotesk Burlesk Asian Tour 2003/09/242003/10/04 Japan, South Korea

Litso, what do you think about new version? :) --M1shael 15:38, 3 February 2010 (UTC)

Well, you solved one thing. Nice job. I still wonder what it'll look like if we add all legs. Visually it's a lot more compelling, that's a fact, but it's just going to be such an enormous list. Then again, maybe that's not so bad Litso 16:12, 4 February 2010 (UTC)

Full Version[edit]

Tour Leg Duration Location
Marilyn Manson's Early Touring

1990/04/28 Miami, FL1996/02/04 Stuart, FL

Marilyn Manson's independent touring 1990/04/281994/06/04 North America
Self Destruct 1994/04/241994/12/11 North America
Portrait of an American Family 1994/12/271995/03/11 North America
Support for Danzig's Danzig 4p Tour 1995/03/241995/05/14 North America
Smells Like Children 1995/06/011996/02/04 North America
Dead to the World Tour

1996/09/05 New York City, NY1997/09/16 Mexico City, Mexico

Dead to the World Theater Tour 1996/09/051996/12/15 North America
Dead to the World North American Tour 1996/12/271997/03/04 North America
Dead to the World Japan/Oceania Tour 1997/03/071997/03/22 Japan, Australia, North America
Dead to the World Arena Tour 1997/04/051997/05/11 North America
Dead to the World European Festival Tour 1997/05/171997/06/04 Europe
Dead to the World Ozzfest 1997 Tour 1997/06/131997/08/02 North America
Dead to the World Canadian Tour 1997/07/231997/08/02 North America
Dead to the World European/South American Tour 1997/08/091997/09/16 Europe, South America
Mechanical Animals Tour

1998/10/25 Lawrence, KS1999/01/31 Perth, Australia

Mechanical Animals European Festival Tour (Cancelled) 1998/06/25 – 1998/07/12 Europe
Mechanical Animals World Tour 1998/10/251999/01/12 North America, Europe, Japan
Mechanical Animals Big Day Out Festival Tour 1999/01/151999/01/31 Australia
Rock Is Dead Tour

1999/02/28 Spokane, WA1999/08/08 Fuji-Yoshida, Japan

Support for Hole's Beautiful Monsters Tour 1999/02/281999/03/14 North America
Rock Is Dead North American Festival Tour 1999/03/17 – 1999/05/07 North America
Rock Is Dead European/Japan Festival Tour 1999/06/181999/08/08 Europe, Japan
Guns, God and Government Tour

2000/10/27 Minneapolis, MN2001/09/02 Hildesheim, Germany

Guns, God and Government North American Tour 2000/10/272001/01/13 North America
Guns, God and Government Spring European Tour 2001/01/212001/02/24 Europe
Guns, God and Government Spring Japan Tour 2001/03/112001/03/20 Japan
Guns, God and Government Ozzfest 2001 Tour 2001/06/082001/08/12 North America
Guns, God and Government Autumn Japan Tour 2001/08/182001/08/19 Japan
Guns, God and Government Autumn European Tour 2001/08/222001/09/02 Europe
Grotesk Burlesk Tour

2003/04/11 Berlin, Germany2003/12/27 Auburn Hills, MI

Grotesk Burlesk Spring European Tour 2003/04/112003/06/21 Europe
Grotesk Burlesk Ozzfest 2003 Tour 2003/06/282003/08/28 North America
Grotesk Burlesk Australian Tour 2003/09/132003/09/20 Australia
Grotesk Burlesk Asian Tour 2003/09/242003/10/04 Japan, South Korea
Grotesk Burlesk Autumn North American Tour 2003/10/102003/11/01 North America
Grotesk Burlesk Mexican Tour 2003/11/052003/11/07 North America
Grotesk Burlesk Autumn European Tour 2003/11/192003/12/19 Europe
Grotesk Burlesk Winter North American Tour 2003/12/27 – 2004/01/03 North America
Against All Gods Tour

2004/10/27 Las Vegas, NV2005/08/31 Dublin, Ireland

Against All Gods North American Tour 2004/10/272004/12/20 North America
Against All Gods Asian Tour 2005/01/29 – 2005/02/06 Japan, South Korea
Against All Gods Mexican Tour 2005/02/09 North America
Against All Gods European Tour 2005/05/272005/08/31 Europe
Rape of the World Tour

2007/05/26 Landgraaf, Netherlands2008/03/02 Houston, TX

Rape of the World Summer European Tour 2007/05/262007/07/07 Europe
Rape of the World Summer North American Tour 2007/07/252007/09/01 North America
Rape of the World South American Tour 2007/09/182007/09/30 South America
Rape of the World Oceania Tour 2007/10/032007/10/13 Australia, New Zeland
Rape of the World Japan Tour 2007/10/162007/10/23 Japan
Rape of the World Winter European Tour 2007/11/102007/12/22 Europe
Rape of the World Winter North American Tour 2008/01/192008/03/02 North America
The High End of Low Tour

2009/06/03 Brno, Czech Republic2009/12/21 Paris, France

The High End of Low European Festival Tour 2009/06/032009/07/04 Europe
The High End of Low Rockstar Mayhem Fest Tour 2009/07/102009/08/15 North America
The High End of Low North American Tour 2009/08/212009/09/26 North America
The High End of Low Tour: Australian Leg 2009/10/052009/10/17 Australia
The High End of Low Tour: Asian Leg 2009/10/202009/10/24 Japan
[[The High End of Low Tour: European Leg]] 2009/11/112009/12/21 Europe
The High End of Low Tour: Winter North American Leg (Cancelled) 2010/02/26 North America

I've done full version of this shit. Yeah, it's looks so big, but i think that this version really better than the current version. :D --M1shael 09:17, 5 February 2010 (UTC)

I agree. Nice work! Let's go :)Litso 11:11, 5 February 2010 (UTC)

Summary tracklisting[edit]

What do you think about summary tracklisting of played songs for each tour? For example I compile a list for Rape of the World tour:

Litso, what do you think? --M1shael 18:53, 24 February 2010 (UTC)
  1. "Trio No. 2 in E-Flat Major for Piano, Violin, and Violoncello" (Intro)
  2. "Cruci-Fiction in Space"
  3. "Disposable Teens"
  4. "You and Me and the Devil Makes 3"
  5. "Irresponsible Hate Anthem"
  6. "Great Big White World"
  7. "Are You the Rabbit?"
  8. "mOBSCENE"
  9. "Mechanical Animals"
  10. "If I Was Your Vampire"
  11. "Heart-Shaped Glasses (When the Heart Guides the Hand)"
  12. "The Love Song"
  13. "Sweet Dreams (Are Made of This)" / "Lunchbox" (Medley)
  14. "Rock 'n' Roll Nigger"
  15. "Tourniquet"
  16. "Little Horn"
  17. "The Fight Song"
  18. "Putting Holes in Happiness"
  19. "Just a Car Crash Away"
  20. "Tainted Love"
  21. "Happiness Is a Warm Gun"
  22. "The Dope Show"
  23. "Rock Is Dead"
  24. "Coma White" / "Coma Black"
  25. "Track 99"
  26. "The Reflecting God"
  27. "The Beautiful People" (With "Baby You're a Rich Man" intro)
  28. "Antichrist Superstar"
  29. "1996"
  30. "The Nobodies"
  31. "This Is Halloween"
  32. "EAT ME, DRINK ME"
  33. "Trio No. 2 in E-Flat Major for Piano, Violin, and Violoncello" (Outro)




* By the way, I like this idea m1shael [god]speed 22:44, 24 April 2010 (UTC)

YouTube Idea[edit]

I was wondering and perhaps this should be a vote rather than a suggestion, but what if we were to compile a youtube video for each tour date, only really good footage and just a single song or so, we don't want to flood the tour articles however, I think that most people that check on previous tour dates more than likely went to the show and are looking to remember it, (checking the setlist etc.) and a single video when clicked would direct them to more related videos from the show on youtube.


I just figure that it might give us something to do, while there isn't anything major happening at the moment. Just an idea. [god]speed 22:41, 24 April 2010 (UTC)

I'm game and I have quite a few good HD videos that I could put up as well. NickSixx 00:46, 25 April 2010 (UTC)
I'm up for it :) Dave too lazy to login
I thought it would be something you guys might like, though I'd like to hear what some of the other users thinks before we decide to start.

If we do decide to incorporate youtube video(s) into the tour section, I'd really like to keep them down to a minimum and high quality. We definitely don't want to clutter up the tour dates with tons of videos, but I do think that it is important and would add more to each of those articles than simply the setlist. We'll see what everyone else thinks first. [god]speed 09:14, 25 April 2010 (UTC)

obviously the videos which are going to be best quality are the ones from Dead to the world and GGG tour videos, but there are alot more we can get, i think and i was wondering if we we're going to put videos in from orphaned performances, liek when Mansons and NIN did starfuckers and beautifull people and when manson was on lettterman doing personal jesus? Dave too lazy again
A lot of my THEOL tour videos are in HD. NickSixx 15:03, 25 April 2010 (UTC)
I like this idea, so it's a yes from me. However I think we should limit to one, maybe two quality videos for each performance. I also suggest starting with most recent performances so that there is some order to this. When I say quality, I mean QUALITY though. ‡-me-‡ 08:38, 26 April 2010 (UTC)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KiwkkVQJ2jE , http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kMoYbpRO_Zs and http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c8_jK8Gf8BQ are examples of my best videos. NickSixx 20:08, 26 April 2010 (UTC)

New border for tour legs[edit]

Date City Country

Venue

June 3, 2009 Flag-cz.png
Brno Czech Republic Velodrom
June 5, 2009 Flag-de.png Nürburgring Germany Rock Am Ring
June 6, 2009 Flag-de.png Nürnberg Germany Rock Im Park
June 8, 2009 Flag-at.png Innsbruck Austria Olympiahalle


Date/Location Venue
2009/06/03 Brno, Czech Republic Velodrom
2009/06/05 Nürburgring, Germany Rock Am Ring
2009/06/06 Nürnberg, Germany Rock Im Park
2009/06/08 Innsbruck, Austria Olympiahalle

What do you think about this? --M1shael 14:25, 8 May 2010 (UTC)


DUDE!!, thats awsome, especialy with the flags, top job man, :) Dave, too lazy to login again

Thanks. :D --M1shael 15:05, 8 May 2010 (UTC)

Looking good! Hold on until the new design though, we're going to need different colors then. Also I'm looking for a way to use .css files for the styles and colors of the templates and tables (e.g. one rule like #tourtable.td { align: center } in stead of align="center" in every cell) so until we have that let's just wait a little before implementing new stuff :) Litso 15:00, 8 May 2010 (UTC)

Ok. :) --M1shael 15:05, 8 May 2010 (UTC)

Well done, M1shael. Anyway, I have two notes: 1) it's better if country and flags columns are joined (also the country column has higher priority than the city column, so they should be swapped); 2) does the wiki engine support conditional templates? if yes, then a simple constructional template like {{countryflag:DE}} could be expanded to "Flag-de.png Germany" eliminating the redundant specifying of the countries names and flags (that's able to cause mistakes). If you're familiar with conditional templates, sure. :) (scarshock 16:51, 8 May 2010 (UTC))

I've found it myself. Look, it's a switch construction that might be included to the Template:Country. The template (not exact syntax):

   <includeonly>
   {{#switch: {{{Domain|}}}
    | AT = [[Image:Flag-at.png|20px]] Austria
    | CZ = [[Image:Flag-cz.png|20px]] Czech Republic
    | DE = [[Image:Image:Flag-de.png|20px]] Germany
    | ... 
    | <i>unknown country</i>
   }}
   <noinclude></noinclude>

Usage:

   {{Country
   | Domain = DE
   }}

I hope it would be rendered into a block with inline flow (in CSS terms). (scarshock 17:16, 8 May 2010 (UTC))

A minified version with sortable Date and Location columns, shorter and cleaner markup, the Country template is used too:

Date Location Venue
2009/06/03 Flag-cz.png, Brno Velodrom
2009/06/05 Flag-de.png, Nürburgring Rock Am Ring
2009/06/06 Flag-de.png, Nürnberg Rock Im Park
2009/06/08 Flag-at.png, Innsbruck Olympiahalle

(scarshock 14:47, 11 May 2010 (UTC))


Date City Country Venue
1 2009/06/03 Flag-cz.png Brno Czech Republic Velodrom
2 2009/06/05 Flag-de.png Nurburgring Germany Rock Am Ring
3 2009/06/06 Flag-de.png Nurnberg Germany Rock Im Park
4 2009/06/08 Flag-at.png Innsbruck Austria Olympiahalle

Here is the version with numbers. --M1shael 15:30, 21 May 2010 (UTC)

Ginger's tour with Zombie[edit]

I want to create the performance pages of Zombie's tour where Ginger was as drummer. What do you think? --M1shael 14:37, 7 February 2011 (UTC)

Hi. :) I disagree since it has no relation to Manson, but I guess the trivia section could be expanded with that info on Fish's page. (scarshock 17:02, 7 February 2011 (UTC))
Hi!! Yeah, but currently Rob Zombie have 40% of MM's members. :D We can post an article with the photo and video materials, setlists. It would be really cool if Jen and Aaron will speak with Ginger about this tour and post it to that article. --M1shael 17:21, 7 February 2011 (UTC)

Hey cruel world/ thirteenth tour[edit]

Shouldn't [[Thirteenth tour: Asian Leg]] now be changed to [[Hey Cruel World Tour: Asian Leg]] and so on since the name of the tour has now been announced? I would change it myself but the whole thing is locked. Apokalypsos 21:24, 23 February 2012 (CET)


Needed editions[edit]

Since I don't have permission to edit this page, here are two needed editions:

  • this is obviously wrong, it is not "north america": | The Hell Not Hallelujah Tour: Autumn European Leg | 2015/11/05 - 2015/11/23 | North America |
  • a link to the 2017 tour page is missing

-- MindBoosterNoori (talk) 18:21, 12 December 2016 (CET)

done. the "TBA"s labels don't look good, but let them be there -- scarshock (talk) 19:17, 12 December 2016 (CET)

Pogo says it's clearly inaccurate[edit]

screenshot Some dumb f*** from messenger sent me this I don't know who... however it is clearly inaccurate scarshock (talk) 17:28, 18 April 2017 (CEST)