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==Re: More on bolding and editing line ups==
 
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i just wanted you to know that, as you said, i already found the "instruments - person" stuff on the lineup when i first arrived on the wiki a couple years ago, so every change i've done on the lineup it's in the wrong mode, so, i have to change so many things, but, even if slowly, i think i can do it. I will try to find out when it first happened, but i think it's impossible. I will change the bold font to normal as well.
 
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And i wanted to tell you a thing: there are several shows that i think are orphaned performance, (like the acoustic piano show in berlin in 2003 or the irving plaza show in 1996) but i can't do nothing about it cause i'm a normal user and the tours page can be changed only by admins, etc..What do you think?
 
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([[User:MAFF'L|MAFF'L]] ([[User talk:MAFF'L|talk]]) 18:19, 10 March 2014 (CET))
 
  
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===Reply to MAFF'L i.e. bolding, Lineup and tour requests===
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==New Tour pages Sample page made==
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I made a new sample page for individual Tour dates: <nowiki>[[Sample_Pages:Tour_dates]]</nowiki>. This page can be found from the main page/Interact/help desk/Marilyn Manson Wiki category page or on special pages/Categories/Sample pages.
  
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On Lineup: I see it all the way back to the early tours so instead of making it Name/function instead of Function/name perhaps we shouldn't change that. But I definitely do not care for it bolded. If you want to start at Against All Gods tour and work down, I'll work on early tours until then and just remove the bolding. (Which do you as a user thinks looks better?) Remember to make the descriptions fit each particular show. If unsure, please just put the basic: vocals, guitar drums, keyboard. (All like pages need to look as uniform as possible.)
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::::: Updated the sample tour page: <nowiki>[[Sample_Pages:Tour_dates]]</nowiki>. Made a minor change to the video titles to add intro in small italicized and quote marks around the song titles. Also note if you use Twiggy|Twiggy Ramirez for example on line up it will take the user directly to the page Twiggy bypassing the redirected page entirely [[User:Sumer Schmetterling|Sumer ]] ([[User talk:Sumer Schmetterling|talk]]) 07:27, 13 May 2014 (CEST)
  
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The Berlin 2003 show:  
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:::::: sorry, i'm confused with your last sentence. it's just a statement of how it should work and works, not a bug report, right? ([[User:Scarshock|scarshock]] ([[User talk:Scarshock|talk]]) 08:18, 13 May 2014 (CEST))
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Is here: [[2003/04/11_Berlin,_Germany]]. Even though the [[Marilyn_Manson_tours#Grotesk_Burlesk_Tour]] says it started on 2003/04/11 it does not have this page link on the tabled list. Indeed, on the [[Grotesk_Burlesk_Tour]] it shows a pic of the show and called it a 'special event' and again mentions the tour began on April 11th. I agree it should go under orphaned performance. I'll addd it to the tour list under orphaned performance and am changing the beginning date on the GOAG tour pages to the 15th. The page itself could use some fixing up.
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The 1996 Irving Plaza show:
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:Yes. It's a suggestion to avoid the site going through a redirect to reach a page. [[User:Sumer Schmetterling|Sumer ]] ([[User talk:Sumer Schmetterling|talk]]) 06:30, 14 May 2014 (CEST)
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Is here: [[1996/09/05_New_York_City,_NY]] And is showing as part of the [[Dead_to_the_World_Theater_Tour]] even though Manson himself says on the page that it was done as a favor and he did not consider it the beginning of the tour. I could see where that should be moved to orphaned performances. I'm in no rush to make major changes like that right now, however. Let's do the lineup reformatting first. [[User:Sumer Schmetterling|Sumer - Senior Editor]] ([[User talk:Sumer Schmetterling|talk]]) 06:18, 11 March 2014 (CET)
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: ok, ok...i will fix all the tours before the EMDM era with the lineup written in this way: [[Marilyn Manson & the Spooky Kids' April 28, 1990 performance]] ("I'll work on early tours until then and just remove the bolding. (Which do you as a user thinks looks better?)" well, at first yes, but now that you showed me the original way to do it i think that the original manner is better)
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:thanks a lot for the advices! [[User:MAFF'L]] ([[User talk:MAFF'L|talk]]) 16:00, 11 March 2014 (CET)
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::<i>"MAFF'L are you working on these? As discussed the final thought was"</i> yes, i am definitively working on the tours...i've finished the Grotesk Burlesk one, go check it out ;) [[User:MAFF'L]] ([[User talk:MAFF'L|talk]]) 13:21, 29 March 2014 (CET)
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==live performance date notation==
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== Lo Maximo Awards ==
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hi, Sumer. i've noticed that the live performances 1989-1994/1995 articles are entitled in the way of ''Marilyn Manson's MONTH DD, YYYY performance'' starting from a certain period (can't recall). these titles are different from what we use for 1995/1996+ lives. i'm curious: do you consider that all title notation should be generalized? i personally prefer ''YYYY/MM/DD CITY, STATE or COUNTRY'' because this style is shorter and easier to read, and such titles are perfectly sortable within automatically generated lists like category pages. what do you think? thanks. ([[User:Scarshock|scarshock]] ([[User talk:Scarshock|talk]]) 11:31, 23 March 2014 (CET))
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:In the urls that ends up making the page titles, the first way was how they first started making the pages which later changed to the more European recognized format of ''year/month/day''. To correct them at this point we'd have to move the pages to a new url and that would be a lot of moving, I don't think worth doing so, although if there was ever a big update that needed to pull that info that might make it worthy. I wish the url didn't auto make the page title. Page titles with ''YYYY/MM/DD CITY, STATE or COUNTRY'' then subject doesn't look very nice on the page itself. Let me put it to M1shael, though. [[User:Sumer Schmetterling|Sumer - Senior Editor]] ([[User talk:Sumer Schmetterling|talk]]) 17:53, 23 March 2014 (CET)
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were May 3, not May 5 as shown on the main page here and on MansonWiki Twitter account
  
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:: I've spoken to M1shael he agrees the format should be ''YYYY/MM/DD CITY, STATE or COUNTRY'' then subject. To make this change however not only would every page with the Month Day, Year format need to be moved but on the info box for all made pages the links would have to be corrected. (last tour/next tour area) Let me know asap if you're interested in continuing that because I was in the process of making a lot of new tour pages for the early tours. [[User:Sumer Schmetterling|Sumer - Senior Editor]] ([[User talk:Sumer Schmetterling|talk]]) 03:10, 26 March 2014 (CET)
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:Thank you for the correction! It was indeed May 3. [https://www.facebook.com/HomeboyIndustries?ref=br_tf HomeboyIndustries facebook] FYI, it is customary to sign discussion notes. [[User:Sumer Schmetterling|Sumer ]] ([[User talk:Sumer Schmetterling|talk]]) 21:45, 8 May 2014 (CEST)
  
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:::hi, Sumer. thanks for letting me know. let's do that this way: the new articles will now follow the ''YYYY/MM/DD CITY, STATE or COUNTRY'' style. i'll move all old-titled pages (''Marilyn Manson's ... performance'') with the redirects incrementally during my free time (so it may last for some time). since the idea is mine, i'll take care for rework/maintenance myself, and i'll keep an eye on the migration current state/TODO using [http://www.mansonwiki.com/w/index.php?title=Special%3ASearch&profile=advanced&search=marilyn+manson+performance&fulltext=Search&ns0=1&redirs=1&profile=advanced search query] or any other better filter/query you could suggest. are you fine with that? ([[User:Scarshock|scarshock]] ([[User talk:Scarshock|talk]]) 09:21, 26 March 2014 (CET))
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== <nowiki><small>{{reflist}}</small></nowiki> ==
  
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:::: Sure. All links have to be changed on the tour tables, too. I think a methodological approach is needed. Change page first then the links on the table? Links on the main tour page tables need to be change, too. If the links on the tables are done first we'd lose the links to the page. I can also do this as I make new pages but for now am taking a break. Are you good at editing wiki websites? Like for the page, not just background but layout?
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if you want all reflists to be smaller, then we'd might change the template rather than enclose the template usage into small-tags always. this would mean that the style will change for every page at MW ([[User:Scarshock|scarshock]] ([[User talk:Scarshock|talk]]) 09:27, 14 May 2014 (CEST))
  
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::::: ah, don't worry for that, because i just missed to say that i'll fix all redirects, sure, using the "what links here" search feature to keep everything consistent and accurate. a year ago (if i'm right), i had similar activities during the removal of excessive redirects for articles having improper title capitalization. for example, simply removed redirect pages like "Apple Of Sodom" changing the according references to "Apple of Sodom" everywhere. concerning the wiki markup language: yep, that's not a problem for me. ([[User:Scarshock|scarshock]] ([[User talk:Scarshock|talk]]) 08:11, 27 March 2014 (CET))
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That would relieve a lot of extra typing. From what I've seen the Wiki way is to have references in small type. I don't think there'd be any reason not to do that, thanks! [[User:Sumer Schmetterling|Sumer ]] ([[User talk:Sumer Schmetterling|talk]]) 17:43, 14 May 2014 (CEST)
  
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:::::: :) Thankfully, it's just the early tours. There might be a few random pages elsewhere. I believe the Interviews are mostly the old format, too. I see what you're saying about category pages and agree. I also recently said something about the way Categories are named, themselves. If we did Era - Spooky Kids, Era - Born Villain then on the category page all eras would be together. The way we have it now, Born Villain is under B and Spooky Kids are under S. But then think of the edits we'd have to make on all those pages. I do strongly feel all pages, lists, etc., should be uniform. It also isn't correct how some categories are all capped and some are not. i.e. Spooky Kids era, Born Villain Era. If I make new tour pages, I'll use the new format. [[User:Sumer Schmetterling|Sumer - Senior Editor]] ([[User talk:Sumer Schmetterling|talk]]) 17:14, 27 March 2014 (CET)
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: ok, i'll update the template and check the small-tag everywhere the template is used so there could be a standard smaller font size ([[User:Scarshock|scarshock]] ([[User talk:Scarshock|talk]]) 09:05, 15 May 2014 (CEST))
  
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::::::: ''>> I do strongly feel all pages, lists, etc., should be uniform.''
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: done. please use <code><nowiki>{{References}}</nowiki></code> instead of no longer existing <code><nowiki>{{reflist}}</nowiki></code>. also, now the <code>&lt;small&gt;</code> tag is no longer necessary as well, because the <code><nowiki>{{References}}</nowiki></code> uses relative font size (as well as the <code>&lt;small&gt;</code> does) and in most cases the template rendering gives 10 pixels ([[User:Scarshock|scarshock]] ([[User talk:Scarshock|talk]]) 12:29, 15 May 2014 (CEST))
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::::::: it's a very good statement, and i fully agree with you
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::::::: concerning the category names like "Spooky Kids era" and "Born Villain Era": i'm not a native English-speaker and my grammar is not perfect, as you probably might notice, so i don't want to establish the wiki rules that may not be optional (by "optional" i mean a possible choice of "Manson's performance" VS "YYYY/MM/DD" we were discussing a bit earlier), but i guess that lower-cased "era" is better and doesn't clash with a possible occurance of "Era" in a real title. an example of possible clashing: ''The Golden Era of Grotesque Era'' category probably doesn't look as good as ''The Golden Era of Grotesque era'' does for me. additionally, Wikipedia uses the second, "not-everything-is-capitalized", style. i also was thinking of a special guideline page where all of these stuff might be described and discussed, but now i doubt that we need such a page because the style of most of the pages in a certain area is a good guideline. and yes, i'm starting to migrate the pages we were talking about these days. ([[User:Scarshock|scarshock]] ([[User talk:Scarshock|talk]]) 20:12, 27 March 2014 (CET))
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: It's ''The Golden Age of Grotesque'' but point taken. I would just like for Category listings to be uniform. Too many people are doing it their own way. Look at Tour Dates: [http://www.mansonwiki.com/w/index.php?title=Special:Categories&offset=Song_Collaborations] on this page. We have 'Tour Dates' & 'Tour dates' each with many entries. What is happening is people are adding categories and titling them however they see fit. I feel though like you said, the wiki way is not to cap everything, but when you make a category it becomes the title of the page for it. Either way, if we had a consistent way of doing it, people would see that and conform more often. But let's leave this one on the back burner while we address dates. I like to see one project done before another gets started.[[User:Sumer Schmetterling|Sumer - Senior Editor]] ([[User talk:Sumer Schmetterling|talk]]) 21:03, 27 March 2014 (CET)
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::Well done and much appreciated! I will start using. I believe the new templates will make the site a lighter leaner one as far as code goes and hope that saves on space, though not really sure if that matters, but it makes it look cleaner. I was wondering about the main tour page date tables. I did a different one for [[Interview archive|Interviews Archives]]. It's a cleaner table without it making every third line a heavy one. But a lot of code. We are using a basic table code and believe there's new ways that wikipedia are using themselves: [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help:Table wikipedia tables]. Also please note the table code makes it auto adjust to always be 90% smaller than the background page. But this sounds like a project to look at after tour date pages are done being reformatted. [[User:Sumer Schmetterling|Sumer ]] ([[User talk:Sumer Schmetterling|talk]]) 19:19, 15 May 2014 (CEST)
  
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:: oh come on, Sumer, it's ''The Golden Age of Grotesque'', sure :) i simply couldn't find a good example to demonstrate "era/Era" clashing and intentionally substituted a similar word :P ([[User:Scarshock|scarshock]] ([[User talk:Scarshock|talk]]) 22:30, 27 March 2014 (CET))
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::: please note that this template supports multi-column as the <code><nowiki>{{reflist}}</nowiki></code> did: <code><nowiki>{{References|2}}</nowiki></code>. for example, you can compare [[Special:Permalink/83229#References|the old references]] and [[Special:Permalink/83894#References|the new references with 2 columns]]. also, there are many places where <code><nowiki>&lt;references/&gt;</nowiki></code> is used. searching for this tag doesn't give good results, because the wiki omits non-letter and non-digit characters for the search, and i just changed the tag to the template in some places only. but anyway, it's not a stopper. another thing: i guess i will also try to implement the tour dates template to avoid very heavy wiki markup (i guess it will consist of two templates, but i'm not sure, since i'm not an expert in the wiki language/templates). along with this rework i'm going to rework <code><nowiki>{{Country}}</nowiki></code> too to make it simpler and probably auto-generated for the tour pages (something like <code><nowiki>{{Flag|de}}</nowiki></code>: 1) the country template was supposed to be used for a little another purposes but serves the flag images only; 2) it promotes unnecessary "domain" attribute). anyway, i have to check it ([[User:Scarshock|scarshock]] ([[User talk:Scarshock|talk]]) 20:34, 15 May 2014 (CEST))
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:::: Scarschock, I think you missed my talk with MAFF'L be we agreed we were making all page now: Lineup: Person then vocals and/or instrument with none of it bolded. He is supposed to be working on this. I see you're changing that on the early tours. Keep it like on this page: http://www.mansonwiki.com/wiki/Marilyn_Manson_%26_the_Spooky_Kids%27_April_28,_1990_performance [[User:Sumer Schmetterling|Sumer - Senior Editor]] ([[User talk:Sumer Schmetterling|talk]]) 00:55, 29 March 2014 (CET)
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::::: yes, that's fine, i only try to move the old pages and do not edit the content though ([[User:Scarshock|scarshock]] ([[User talk:Scarshock|talk]]) 22:22, 29 March 2014 (CET))
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: Scarshock, Only some of the dates were changed on the first tour? [http://www.mansonwiki.com/w/index.php?title=Marilyn_Manson%27s_independent_touring&diff=81600&oldid=81133] I liked how before, it said Marilyn Manson & the Spooky Kids on the ones prior to Aug 1, 92. Also look at the next two main tour pages, they only have 2 columns. They should have the same table the prior and later tours have. :) [[User:Sumer Schmetterling|Sumer - Senior Editor]] ([[User talk:Sumer Schmetterling|talk]]) 19:26, 30 March 2014 (CEST)
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::: i've also noticed the gallery section appeared in the sample page. [http://manson.wiki/w/index.php?title=Sample_Pages:Tour_dates&curid=23247&diff=83929&oldid=83928 that code] also uses the some extra markup. i would also integrate the gallery to the templates set and define the common style, so there could be no need to specify the at-page location (centering), thumbnail size, number of thumbs per row and so forth. so currently i have idea of implementing <code><nowiki>{{PhotoGallery}}</nowiki></code> / <code><nowiki>{{TourDates}}</nowiki></code> (the most complicated one), and re-implementing the <code><nowiki>{{Flag}}</nowiki></code> template ([[User:Scarshock|scarshock]] ([[User talk:Scarshock|talk]]) 08:50, 16 May 2014 (CEST))
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::: since i have no any other way of communication with you, could you please check <nowiki>[[Talk:Sample Pages:Tour dates|the talk page]]</nowiki>? thanks! ([[User:Scarshock|scarshock]] ([[User talk:Scarshock|talk]]) 10:00, 16 May 2014 (CEST))
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:: It should be noted there is also the:<nowiki><ref name="LHROOHbk">{{cite book |last1=Manson |first1=Marilyn |last2=Strauss |first2=Neil |title=[[The Long Hard Road Out of Hell]] |date=1998-02-14 |publisher=ReganBooks |isbn=0-06-098746-4 |page=171}}</ref></nowiki> which is more the proper cite reference especially for when taking from a publication, (book or magazine). I'll add this to the Sample Page. [[User:Sumer Schmetterling|Sumer ]] ([[User talk:Sumer Schmetterling|talk]]) 19:23, 15 May 2014 (CEST)
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== Changes to the videos gallery template ==
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as FYI, i've made some changes to the <nowiki>{{YoutubeVideos}}</nowiki>:
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* i've fixed a bug that required an extra "|" character at the template end "}}"
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* the video gallery now supports Vimeo provider (and able to support more). please see [[Special:Permalink/84020|this permalink]]
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* i've renamed YoutubeVideos to Videos because now it's not just Youtube
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the only thing that is left to the video gallery template is mandatory video title. if no video is specified - then the gallery is rendered wrong. i hope to fix it asap ([[User:Scarshock|scarshock]] ([[User talk:Scarshock|talk]]) 20:15, 18 May 2014 (CEST))
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: done. now the following code is valid and gets rendered correct:
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<pre><nowiki>{{Videos
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(mediawiki templates are crazy, totally crazy) ([[User:Scarshock|scarshock]] ([[User talk:Scarshock|talk]]) 21:08, 18 May 2014 (CEST))
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:also please take a look at [[Template talk:Photos]] -- the template now generates a standard gallery with default appearance like centered container, etc ([[User:Scarshock|scarshock]] ([[User talk:Scarshock|talk]]) 22:16, 18 May 2014 (CEST))
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:: What other video sources is the new video code for? Vimeo? On the photo gallery template, if there's only 3 picture it will still center them? [[User:Sumer Schmetterling|Sumer ]] ([[User talk:Sumer Schmetterling|talk]]) 06:12, 19 May 2014 (CEST)
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::: Vimeo, but it's extensible, and probably it will be enhanced later for more sources. in templates, prefix the video ID with <code>vimeo:</code>. regarding the photo gallery: the gallery is supposed to be centered always no matter how many photos are specified. the current settings are hardcoded: 5 pics per row, 170x120 px for a thumbnail. hope there are no issues so far, because templates are madness even for simple things ([[User:Scarshock|scarshock]] ([[User talk:Scarshock|talk]]) 07:07, 19 May 2014 (CEST))
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::: i misunderstood you a bit. i'll update the Photos template so it could hold even a single image, or two, or three centered -- i have an idea of implementing this with a little rework ([[User:Scarshock|scarshock]] ([[User talk:Scarshock|talk]]) 17:35, 19 May 2014 (CEST))
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::::: [[Special:Permalink/84096|done]]. please note that it supports "perrow", "widths" and "heights" parameters, where name and value are separated with ":" not "=" to avoid ambiguity ([[User:Scarshock|scarshock]] ([[User talk:Scarshock|talk]]) 23:30, 19 May 2014 (CEST))
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== cquote template ==
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hi Sumer! as we use the <code><nowiki>{{cquote}}</nowiki></code> template, we can also use the parameters it accepts to prevent extra formatting and keep the formatting consistent. please take a look at [[Special:Diff/84146/84150|this change]], where you can see that both <code>author</code> and <code>source</code> are used. i know it's not obvious if templates can accept extra arguments, but you can test it with a quick and dirty way:
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# <code>bgcolor</code> - quote background color, not necessary in most cases (i even personally assume this parameter harmful)
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# <code>wide</code> - width of the quote box. probably useful for tables when accurate table column widths are required
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# <code>1</code> - in MediaWiki there are also anonymous parameters that are accepted via numbers. this is actually the quote text
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# <code>source</code> - the source of the quote
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[https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:Templates#Parameters here] is also the official documentation where the parameters are explained if you need some more info ([[User:Scarshock|scarshock]] ([[User talk:Scarshock|talk]]) 08:43, 22 May 2014 (CEST))

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New Tour pages Sample page made[edit]

I made a new sample page for individual Tour dates: [[Sample_Pages:Tour_dates]]. This page can be found from the main page/Interact/help desk/Marilyn Manson Wiki category page or on special pages/Categories/Sample pages.

Updated the sample tour page: [[Sample_Pages:Tour_dates]]. Made a minor change to the video titles to add intro in small italicized and quote marks around the song titles. Also note if you use Twiggy|Twiggy Ramirez for example on line up it will take the user directly to the page Twiggy bypassing the redirected page entirely Sumer (talk) 07:27, 13 May 2014 (CEST)
sorry, i'm confused with your last sentence. it's just a statement of how it should work and works, not a bug report, right? (scarshock (talk) 08:18, 13 May 2014 (CEST))
Yes. It's a suggestion to avoid the site going through a redirect to reach a page. Sumer (talk) 06:30, 14 May 2014 (CEST)

Lo Maximo Awards[edit]

were May 3, not May 5 as shown on the main page here and on MansonWiki Twitter account

Thank you for the correction! It was indeed May 3. HomeboyIndustries facebook FYI, it is customary to sign discussion notes. Sumer (talk) 21:45, 8 May 2014 (CEST)

<small>{{reflist}}</small>[edit]

if you want all reflists to be smaller, then we'd might change the template rather than enclose the template usage into small-tags always. this would mean that the style will change for every page at MW (scarshock (talk) 09:27, 14 May 2014 (CEST))

That would relieve a lot of extra typing. From what I've seen the Wiki way is to have references in small type. I don't think there'd be any reason not to do that, thanks! Sumer (talk) 17:43, 14 May 2014 (CEST)

ok, i'll update the template and check the small-tag everywhere the template is used so there could be a standard smaller font size (scarshock (talk) 09:05, 15 May 2014 (CEST))
done. please use {{References}} instead of no longer existing {{reflist}}. also, now the <small> tag is no longer necessary as well, because the {{References}} uses relative font size (as well as the <small> does) and in most cases the template rendering gives 10 pixels (scarshock (talk) 12:29, 15 May 2014 (CEST))
Well done and much appreciated! I will start using. I believe the new templates will make the site a lighter leaner one as far as code goes and hope that saves on space, though not really sure if that matters, but it makes it look cleaner. I was wondering about the main tour page date tables. I did a different one for Interviews Archives. It's a cleaner table without it making every third line a heavy one. But a lot of code. We are using a basic table code and believe there's new ways that wikipedia are using themselves: wikipedia tables. Also please note the table code makes it auto adjust to always be 90% smaller than the background page. But this sounds like a project to look at after tour date pages are done being reformatted. Sumer (talk) 19:19, 15 May 2014 (CEST)
please note that this template supports multi-column as the {{reflist}} did: {{References|2}}. for example, you can compare the old references and the new references with 2 columns. also, there are many places where <references/> is used. searching for this tag doesn't give good results, because the wiki omits non-letter and non-digit characters for the search, and i just changed the tag to the template in some places only. but anyway, it's not a stopper. another thing: i guess i will also try to implement the tour dates template to avoid very heavy wiki markup (i guess it will consist of two templates, but i'm not sure, since i'm not an expert in the wiki language/templates). along with this rework i'm going to rework {{Country}} too to make it simpler and probably auto-generated for the tour pages (something like {{Flag|de}}: 1) the country template was supposed to be used for a little another purposes but serves the flag images only; 2) it promotes unnecessary "domain" attribute). anyway, i have to check it (scarshock (talk) 20:34, 15 May 2014 (CEST))
i've also noticed the gallery section appeared in the sample page. that code also uses the some extra markup. i would also integrate the gallery to the templates set and define the common style, so there could be no need to specify the at-page location (centering), thumbnail size, number of thumbs per row and so forth. so currently i have idea of implementing {{PhotoGallery}} / {{TourDates}} (the most complicated one), and re-implementing the {{Flag}} template (scarshock (talk) 08:50, 16 May 2014 (CEST))
since i have no any other way of communication with you, could you please check [[Talk:Sample Pages:Tour dates|the talk page]]? thanks! (scarshock (talk) 10:00, 16 May 2014 (CEST))
It should be noted there is also the:<ref name="LHROOHbk">{{cite book |last1=Manson |first1=Marilyn |last2=Strauss |first2=Neil |title=[[The Long Hard Road Out of Hell]] |date=1998-02-14 |publisher=ReganBooks |isbn=0-06-098746-4 |page=171}}</ref> which is more the proper cite reference especially for when taking from a publication, (book or magazine). I'll add this to the Sample Page. Sumer (talk) 19:23, 15 May 2014 (CEST)

Changes to the videos gallery template[edit]

as FYI, i've made some changes to the {{YoutubeVideos}}:

  • i've fixed a bug that required an extra "|" character at the template end "}}"
  • the video gallery now supports Vimeo provider (and able to support more). please see this permalink
  • i've renamed YoutubeVideos to Videos because now it's not just Youtube

the only thing that is left to the video gallery template is mandatory video title. if no video is specified - then the gallery is rendered wrong. i hope to fix it asap (scarshock (talk) 20:15, 18 May 2014 (CEST))

done. now the following code is valid and gets rendered correct: 
{{Videos
| 1yfiyH-Valg
}}

(mediawiki templates are crazy, totally crazy) (scarshock (talk) 21:08, 18 May 2014 (CEST))

also please take a look at Template talk:Photos -- the template now generates a standard gallery with default appearance like centered container, etc (scarshock (talk) 22:16, 18 May 2014 (CEST))
What other video sources is the new video code for? Vimeo? On the photo gallery template, if there's only 3 picture it will still center them? Sumer (talk) 06:12, 19 May 2014 (CEST)
Vimeo, but it's extensible, and probably it will be enhanced later for more sources. in templates, prefix the video ID with vimeo:. regarding the photo gallery: the gallery is supposed to be centered always no matter how many photos are specified. the current settings are hardcoded: 5 pics per row, 170x120 px for a thumbnail. hope there are no issues so far, because templates are madness even for simple things (scarshock (talk) 07:07, 19 May 2014 (CEST))
i misunderstood you a bit. i'll update the Photos template so it could hold even a single image, or two, or three centered -- i have an idea of implementing this with a little rework (scarshock (talk) 17:35, 19 May 2014 (CEST))
Thank you.
done. please note that it supports "perrow", "widths" and "heights" parameters, where name and value are separated with ":" not "=" to avoid ambiguity (scarshock (talk) 23:30, 19 May 2014 (CEST))

cquote template[edit]

hi Sumer! as we use the {{cquote}} template, we can also use the parameters it accepts to prevent extra formatting and keep the formatting consistent. please take a look at this change, where you can see that both author and source are used. i know it's not obvious if templates can accept extra arguments, but you can test it with a quick and dirty way:

  • go to the template edit page
  • press Ctrl+F (at least for Windows) and search for three left braces: {{{

as your search results will be highlighted, you'll see the parameters it can accept. for the {{cquote}}, in order of occurrance, they are:

  1. bgcolor - quote background color, not necessary in most cases (i even personally assume this parameter harmful)
  2. wide - width of the quote box. probably useful for tables when accurate table column widths are required
  3. 1 - in MediaWiki there are also anonymous parameters that are accepted via numbers. this is actually the quote text
  4. author - the author of the quote
  5. source - the source of the quote

here is also the official documentation where the parameters are explained if you need some more info (scarshock (talk) 08:43, 22 May 2014 (CEST))

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