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| [[Bass Tablature: Misery Machine|bass]]
 
| [[Bass Tablature: Misery Machine|bass]]
 
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::Here is the [http://yfrog.com/4j36611292p screenshot]. The green-marked header is perfect, but the red-marked header is broken probably because of using the "float" CSS property. This was about markup issues (I didn't test it in Firefox, Opera, etc). And now about usability. The following wiki-based sample (using alternate rows) is similar to the structure used on 911Tabs, and (but I'm not sure) similar to the tablature sections structure used at MansonUSA.
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{| border="0" style="width: 100%;" cellspacing="0"
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| rowspan="21" valign="top" style="width: 230px;" | [[Image:HolyWood(InTheShadowOfTheValleyOfDeath).jpg|180px|left|link=Holy Wood (In the Shadow of the Valley of Death)|]]
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{{Alternating rows table section|os=background-color:#C6D6E6|es=background-color:#D6E6E9;
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| {{!}} [[GodEatGod]]
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{{!!}} [[Guitar Tablature: GodEatGod|guitar]]
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{{!!}} [[Bass Tablature: GodEatGod|bass]]
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{{!!}} [[Keyboard Tablature: GodEatGod|keyboard]]
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{{!!}} —
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| {{!}} [[The Love Song]]
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{{!!}} [[Guitar Tablature: The Love Song|guitar]]
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{{!!}} [[Bass Tablature: The Love Song|bass]]
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{{!!}} [[Keyboard Tablature: The Love Song|keyboard]]
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{{!!}} [[Drums Tablature: The Love Song|drums]]
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| {{!}} [[The Fight Song]]
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{{!!}} [[Guitar Tablature: The Fight Song|guitar]]
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{{!!}} [[Bass Tablature: The Fight Song|bass]]
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{{!!}} [[Keyboard Tablature: The Fight Song|keyboard]]
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{{!!}} [[Drums Tablature: The Fight Song|drums]]
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| {{!}} [[Disposable Teens]]
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{{!!}} [[Guitar Tablature: Disposable Teens|guitar]]
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{{!!}} [[Bass Tablature: Disposable Teens|bass]]
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{{!!}} [[Keyboard Tablature: Disposable Teens|keyboard]]
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{{!!}} [[Drums Tablature: Disposable Teens|drums]]
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| {{!}} [[Target Audience (Narcissus Narcosis)]]
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{{!!}} [[Guitar Tablature: Target Audience|guitar]]
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{{!!}} [[Bass Tablature: Target Audience|bass]]
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{{!!}} [[Keyboard Tablature: Target Audience|keyboard]]
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{{!!}} [[Drums Tablature: Target Audience|drums]]
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| {{!}} [["President Dead"]]
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{{!!}} [[Guitar Tablature: "President Dead"|guitar]]
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{{!!}} [[Bass Tablature: "President Dead"|bass]]
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{{!!}} [[Keyboard Tablature: "President Dead"|keyboard]]
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{{!!}} [[Drums Tablature: "President Dead"|drums]]
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| {{!}} [[In the Shadow of the Valley of Death]]
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{{!!}} [[Guitar Tablature: In the Shadow of the Valley of Death|guitar]]
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{{!!}} [[Bass Tablature: In the Shadow of the Valley of Death|bass]]
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{{!!}} [[Keyboard Tablature: In the Shadow of the Valley of Death|keyboard]]
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{{!!}} [[Drums Tablature: In the Shadow of the Valley of Death|drums]]
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| {{!}} [[Cruci-Fiction in Space]]
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{{!!}} [[Guitar Tablature: Cruci-fiction in Space|guitar]]
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{{!!}} [[Bass Tablature: Cruci-fiction in Space|bass]]
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{{!!}} [[Keyboard Tablature: Cruci-fiction in Space|keyboard]]
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{{!!}} [[Drums Tablature: Cruci-fiction in Space|drums]]
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| {{!}} [[A Place in the Dirt]]
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{{!!}} [[Guitar Tablature: A Place in the Dirt|guitar]]
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{{!!}} [[Bass Tablature: A Place in the Dirt|bass]]
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{{!!}} [[Keyboard Tablature: A Place in the Dirt|keyboard]]
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{{!!}} [[Drums Tablature: A Place in the Dirt|drums]]
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| {{!}} [[The Nobodies]]
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{{!!}} [[Guitar Tablature: The Nobodies|guitar]]
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{{!!}} [[Bass Tablature: The Nobodies|bass]]
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{{!!}} [[Keyboard Tablature: The Nobodies|keyboard]]
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{{!!}} [[Drums Tablature: The Nobodies|drums]]
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| {{!}} [[The Death Song]]
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{{!!}} [[Guitar Tablature: The Death Song|guitar]]
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{{!!}} [[Bass Tablature: The Death Song|bass]]
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{{!!}} [[Keyboard Tablature: The Death Song|keyboard]]
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{{!!}} [[Drums Tablature: The Death Song|drums]]
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| {{!}} [[Lamb of God]]
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{{!!}} [[Guitar Tablature: Lamb of God|guitar]]
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{{!!}} [[Bass Tablature: Lamb of God|bass]]
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{{!!}} [[Keyboard Tablature: Lamb of God|keyboard]]
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{{!!}} [[Drums Tablature: Lamb of God|drums]]
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| {{!}} [[Born Again]]
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{{!!}} [[Guitar Tablature: Born Again|guitar]]
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{{!!}} [[Bass Tablature: Born Again|bass]]
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{{!!}} [[Keyboard Tablature: Born Again|keyboard]]
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{{!!}} [[Drums Tablature: Born Again|drums]]
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| {{!}} [[Burning Flag]]
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{{!!}} [[Guitar Tablature: Burning Flag|guitar]]
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{{!!}} [[Bass Tablature: Burning Flag|bass]]
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{{!!}} [[Keyboard Tablature: Burning Flag|keyboard]]
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{{!!}} [[Drums Tablature: Burning Flag|drums]]
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| {{!}} [[Coma Black]]
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{{!!}} [[Guitar Tablature: Coma Black|guitar]]
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{{!!}} [[Bass Tablature: Coma Black|bass]]
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{{!!}} [[Keyboard Tablature: Coma Black|keyboard]]
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{{!!}} [[Drums Tablature: Coma Black|drums]]
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| {{!}} [[Valentine's Day]]
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{{!!}} [[Guitar Tablature: Valentine's Day|guitar]]
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{{!!}} [[Bass Tablature: Valentine's Day|bass]]
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{{!!}} [[Keyboard Tablature: Valentine's Day|keyboard]]
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{{!!}} [[Drums Tablature: Valentine's Day|drums]]
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| {{!}} [[The Fall of Adam]]
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{{!!}} [[Guitar Tablature: The Fall of Adam|guitar]]
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{{!!}} [[Bass Tablature: The Fall of Adam|bass]]
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{{!!}} [[Keyboard Tablature: The Fall of Adam|keyboard]]
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{{!!}} [[Drums Tablature: The Fall of Adam|drums]]
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| {{!}} [[King Kill 33°]]
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{{!!}} [[Guitar Tablature: King Kill 33°|guitar]]
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{{!!}} [[Bass Tablature: King Kill 33°|bass]]
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{{!!}} [[Keyboard Tablature: King Kill 33°|keyboard]]
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{{!!}} [[Drums Tablature: King Kill 33°|drums]]
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| {{!}} [[Count to Six and Die (The Vacuum of Infinite Space Encompassing)]]
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{{!!}} —
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{{!!}} —
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{{!!}} [[Keyboard Tablature: Count to Six and Die (The Vacuum of Infinite Space Encompassing)|keyboard]]
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{{!!}} —
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| {{!}} [[The Nobodies|The Nobodies (Acoustic)]]
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{{!!}} [[Guitar Tablature: The Nobodies (Acoustic)|guitar]]
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{{!!}} —
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{{!!}} —
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{{!!}} —
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}}
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|}
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::Currently I don't know how to change the width of each column. ([[User:Scarshock|scarshock]] 13:33, 4 May 2010 (UTC))

Revision as of 13:33, 4 May 2010

This is the talk page for discussing improvements to the Marilyn Manson lyrics and tablature article.
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TABLATURE NOTICE

Please use discretion when adding guitar or bass tablature, Users adding tabs should know how to play the given instrument so that they are able to test out the tablature before adding to the Archive. Simply put, if you do not know what note corresponds to the open string, or common tunings then you probably shouldn't post tablature.


Manson Wiki Administration

Current poor markup

Check that section indexes are pinned to the right-side, at least in Google Chrome. I can't understand why you use complicated HTML/CSS markup float-property-based technique without complete understanding of its purpose. Remove redundant <br> tags, use simple HTML/Wiki tables to show guitar/bass/etc tabs in tabular manner, etc. I think that the following table manner is much better (reducing ammount of exact title occurances, simplifying the markup, etc):

Sample

Cake and Sodomy guitar bass
Lunchbox guitar bass
Organ Grinder guitar bass
Cyclops guitar bass
Dope Hat guitar bass
Get Your Gunn guitar bass
Wrapped in Plastic guitar bass
Dogma guitar bass
Sweet Tooth guitar bass
Snake Eyes and Sissies guitar bass
My Monkey guitar bass
Misery Machine guitar bass

Sample Source

   {| border="0" style="width: 100%;"
   |-
   | rowspan="12" valign="top" style="width: 230px;" | [[Image:PortraitOfAnAmericanFamily.png|180px|left|link=Portrait of an American Family (album)|]]
   | [[Cake and Sodomy]]
   | [[Guitar Tablature: Cake and Sodomy|guitar]]
   | [[Bass Tablature: Cake and Sodomy|bass]]
   |-
   | style="width: 120px;" | [[Lunchbox]]
   | style="width: 120px;" | [[Guitar Tablature: Lunchbox|guitar]]
   | [[Bass Tablature: Lunchbox|bass]]
   
   ...
   
   |-
   | [[Misery Machine]]
   | [[Guitar Tablature: Misery Machine|guitar]]
   | [[Bass Tablature: Misery Machine|bass]]
   |}

And the last note: the <br> tag is self-closed so the correct syntax is <br/>. (scarshock 08:12, 4 May 2010 (UTC))

Aesthetically, I prefer it as is. I prefer to see a song title twice rather than the word bass or guitar repeatedly listed. Though I appreciate that I'm not the only visitor to this site, so would appreciate the input of others. If your version is more accepted over the existing, we'll go with it :) ‡-me-‡ 08:58, 4 May 2010 (UTC)

My thoughts are that when you post all the albums together as they currently are you are going to have a massive row of guitar bass I don't mind the idea of a table, however I think it would be best with the song listed twice in one column for bass and one for guitar as it is now. I don't see the problem in Chrome which is the only browser I use, Could you take a screen shot? The problem i see with listing the words guitar & bass 15 times in a row is that I think a lot of people would wind up either clicking the wrong song or having to trace their finger across the screen to ensure they were picking the correct tab.


Here's an example of when you post the eight albums together, as you can see the words bass and guitar become overwhelming and thus harder to navigate imo

Cake and Sodomy guitar bass
Lunchbox guitar bass
Organ Grinder guitar bass
Cyclops guitar bass
Dope Hat guitar bass
Get Your Gunn guitar bass
Wrapped in Plastic guitar bass
Dogma guitar bass
Sweet Tooth guitar bass
Snake Eyes and Sissies guitar bass
My Monkey guitar bass
Misery Machine guitar bass
Cake and Sodomy guitar bass
Lunchbox guitar bass
Organ Grinder guitar bass
Cyclops guitar bass
Dope Hat guitar bass
Get Your Gunn guitar bass
Wrapped in Plastic guitar bass
Dogma guitar bass
Sweet Tooth guitar bass
Snake Eyes and Sissies guitar bass
My Monkey guitar bass
Misery Machine guitar bass
Cake and Sodomy guitar bass
Lunchbox guitar bass
Organ Grinder guitar bass
Cyclops guitar bass
Dope Hat guitar bass
Get Your Gunn guitar bass
Wrapped in Plastic guitar bass
Dogma guitar bass
Sweet Tooth guitar bass
Snake Eyes and Sissies guitar bass
My Monkey guitar bass
Misery Machine guitar bass
Cake and Sodomy guitar bass
Lunchbox guitar bass
Organ Grinder guitar bass
Cyclops guitar bass
Dope Hat guitar bass
Get Your Gunn guitar bass
Wrapped in Plastic guitar bass
Dogma guitar bass
Sweet Tooth guitar bass
Snake Eyes and Sissies guitar bass
My Monkey guitar bass
Misery Machine guitar bass
Cake and Sodomy guitar bass
Lunchbox guitar bass
Organ Grinder guitar bass
Cyclops guitar bass
Dope Hat guitar bass
Get Your Gunn guitar bass
Wrapped in Plastic guitar bass
Dogma guitar bass
Sweet Tooth guitar bass
Snake Eyes and Sissies guitar bass
My Monkey guitar bass
Misery Machine guitar bass
Here is the screenshot. The green-marked header is perfect, but the red-marked header is broken probably because of using the "float" CSS property. This was about markup issues (I didn't test it in Firefox, Opera, etc). And now about usability. The following wiki-based sample (using alternate rows) is similar to the structure used on 911Tabs, and (but I'm not sure) similar to the tablature sections structure used at MansonUSA.
HolyWood(InTheShadowOfTheValleyOfDeath).jpg

Template:Alternating rows table section

Currently I don't know how to change the width of each column. (scarshock 13:33, 4 May 2010 (UTC))