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*I agree something major like this should have been discussed. It makes the section look cheap as well. The point is to make the site ''not'' look like a run of the mill Wikia site.[[User:Godspeed|[god]speed -MansonWiki Admin]] 22:38, 19 September 2010 (UTC) | *I agree something major like this should have been discussed. It makes the section look cheap as well. The point is to make the site ''not'' look like a run of the mill Wikia site.[[User:Godspeed|[god]speed -MansonWiki Admin]] 22:38, 19 September 2010 (UTC) | ||
| − | How is it "rude as fuck," and why did it look like shit? Just adjust the width. We don't need all these pictures of albums everywhere. The last section is absurd, what actually defines rarities? What does it matter if it's a b-side? Just classifiy it under the album to which it actually belongs. My writeup was far more to the point than this version of the page, and the "How to Read Tablature" you want in place looks like absolute shit. What's worse is it can't be tampered with according to its author (without his approval, which is probably impossible to get 11 years later). A lot of the tabs aren't even linked to properly (Theater, President Dead, etc), and the columns are often fucked. A chart will suffice. I don't see how it could possibly be opposed. <span style="background:#000000">[[User:Vixen Windstorm|<span style="color:#DEB887;">'''Alden Weston'''</span>]] [[User talk:Vixen Windstorm|<span style="color:#7BA05B;">'''talk'''</span>]]</span> 22:49, 19 September 2010 (UTC) | + | How is it "rude as fuck," and why did it look like shit? Just adjust the width. We don't need all these pictures of albums everywhere. The last section is absurd, what actually defines rarities? What does it matter if it's a b-side? Just classifiy it under the album to which it actually belongs. My writeup was far more to the point than this version of the page, and the "How to Read Tablature" you want in place looks like absolute shit. What's worse is it can't be tampered with according to its author (without his approval, which is probably impossible to get 11 years later). A lot of the tabs aren't even linked to properly (Theater, President Dead, etc), and the columns are often fucked. A chart will suffice. I don't see how it could possibly be opposed. <span style="background:#000000">[[User:Vixen Windstorm|<span style="color:#DEB887;">'''Alden Weston'''</span>]] [[User talk:Vixen Windstorm|<span style="color:#7BA05B;">'''talk'''</span>]] <span style="color:#7BA05B;">'''–'''</span> <span class="plainlinks">[http://www.mansonwiki.com/forums/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=57 <span style="color:#7BA05B;">'''forum profile'''</span>]</span></span> 22:49, 19 September 2010 (UTC) |
Why must you make everything look like a cheap Wikia? Why do you think that people didn't visit the site as frequently as they do now? People want something that looks nice and is clean, Not some generic chart after chart. There was absolutely nothing wrong wit the way we have had the tablature section, which mind you did not even exist until we created it. I'm not going to sacrifice the time spent as well as the aesthetic of it just because it doesn't fit into idea of what a WIKI should look like. | Why must you make everything look like a cheap Wikia? Why do you think that people didn't visit the site as frequently as they do now? People want something that looks nice and is clean, Not some generic chart after chart. There was absolutely nothing wrong wit the way we have had the tablature section, which mind you did not even exist until we created it. I'm not going to sacrifice the time spent as well as the aesthetic of it just because it doesn't fit into idea of what a WIKI should look like. | ||
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:::: Granted with the "how to read tabs" section. Granted, too with the B sides etc, but the rest was aesthetically pleasing, and easier to read. The table, for me, is very difficult to read. "Yes, NO, Yes" etc. The whole idea of the redesign was to help the site NOT look like wikipedia, opening a page and being confronted with a huge table just turns me off. I don't want to look at it, I don't want to deal with it. While a table might be more organised for record keeping or personal use, this page is supposed to be attractive too, a table just simply isn't. Its the difference between having a simple wooden stool to sit on or a comfortable arm chair, the page is supposed to be welcoming, easy on the eye, attractive as well as functional. It's the difference between picking up a glossy well designed magazine that's well layed out or picking up a computer report, there has to be a blend of both. Long tables....= UGLY, it makes me want to leave the page as quickly as possible.[[User:‡-me-‡|‡-me-‡ - MansonWiki Admin]] 23:06, 19 September 2010 (UTC) | :::: Granted with the "how to read tabs" section. Granted, too with the B sides etc, but the rest was aesthetically pleasing, and easier to read. The table, for me, is very difficult to read. "Yes, NO, Yes" etc. The whole idea of the redesign was to help the site NOT look like wikipedia, opening a page and being confronted with a huge table just turns me off. I don't want to look at it, I don't want to deal with it. While a table might be more organised for record keeping or personal use, this page is supposed to be attractive too, a table just simply isn't. Its the difference between having a simple wooden stool to sit on or a comfortable arm chair, the page is supposed to be welcoming, easy on the eye, attractive as well as functional. It's the difference between picking up a glossy well designed magazine that's well layed out or picking up a computer report, there has to be a blend of both. Long tables....= UGLY, it makes me want to leave the page as quickly as possible.[[User:‡-me-‡|‡-me-‡ - MansonWiki Admin]] 23:06, 19 September 2010 (UTC) | ||
| − | :Honestly, open both revisions and scroll through them. Excluding a width adjustment which Litso mentioned would probably need to be done, the chart surpasses your revision's plethora of detracting pictures, broken columns, improper links and glitchy section headers, completely. Actually review both, you'll see. <span style="background:#000000">[[User:Vixen Windstorm|<span style="color:#DEB887;">'''Alden Weston'''</span>]] [[User talk:Vixen Windstorm|<span style="color:#7BA05B;">'''talk'''</span>]]</span> 23:04, 19 September 2010 (UTC) | + | :Honestly, open both revisions and scroll through them. Excluding a width adjustment which Litso mentioned would probably need to be done, the chart surpasses your revision's plethora of detracting pictures, broken columns, improper links and glitchy section headers, completely. Actually review both, you'll see. <span style="background:#000000">[[User:Vixen Windstorm|<span style="color:#DEB887;">'''Alden Weston'''</span>]] [[User talk:Vixen Windstorm|<span style="color:#7BA05B;">'''talk'''</span>]] <span style="color:#7BA05B;">'''–'''</span> <span class="plainlinks">[http://www.mansonwiki.com/forums/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=57 <span style="color:#7BA05B;">'''forum profile'''</span>]</span></span> 23:04, 19 September 2010 (UTC) |
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| − | :::This isn't the main page. The justice of this page isn't to welcome people. It's to chronicle tablature. What if people don't know what release something is featured on? It happens. Furthermore, the list I made should have even been alphabetized by song. I even wanted a sortable table, but it wouldn't display properly. Why does everything have to be compared to Wikia? Your method is Wikia. Charts are Wikia. Wikia is organized by people. It isn't some omnipotent entity that we can detract from with the simple act of not using charts. My method leaves room to include tabs for everything. Yours does its own thing, leaves out a lot of instrumentals, the final section isn't sorted the way the albums are, only noting what we actually have. People aren't supposed to have fun with this page. It's an index of links. You can either have a long, simple chart that conveys everything, or a long series of sections with headers, columns and links that are ineffective. <span style="background:#000000">[[User:Vixen Windstorm|<span style="color:#DEB887;">'''Alden Weston'''</span>]] [[User talk:Vixen Windstorm|<span style="color:#7BA05B;">'''talk'''</span>]]</span> 23:48, 19 September 2010 (UTC) | + | :::This isn't the main page. The justice of this page isn't to welcome people. It's to chronicle tablature. What if people don't know what release something is featured on? It happens. Furthermore, the list I made should have even been alphabetized by song. I even wanted a sortable table, but it wouldn't display properly. Why does everything have to be compared to Wikia? Your method is Wikia. Charts are Wikia. Wikia is organized by people. It isn't some omnipotent entity that we can detract from with the simple act of not using charts. My method leaves room to include tabs for everything. Yours does its own thing, leaves out a lot of instrumentals, the final section isn't sorted the way the albums are, only noting what we actually have. People aren't supposed to have fun with this page. It's an index of links. You can either have a long, simple chart that conveys everything, or a long series of sections with headers, columns and links that are ineffective. <span style="background:#000000">[[User:Vixen Windstorm|<span style="color:#DEB887;">'''Alden Weston'''</span>]] [[User talk:Vixen Windstorm|<span style="color:#7BA05B;">'''talk'''</span>]] <span style="color:#7BA05B;">'''–'''</span> <span class="plainlinks">[http://www.mansonwiki.com/forums/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=57 <span style="color:#7BA05B;">'''forum profile'''</span>]</span></span> 23:48, 19 September 2010 (UTC) |
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::What that Yes or No meant was no longer easy to detect unless a user scroll all the way back up the page to see what column meant what, then scroll back down the page to find where they were originally looking and hopefully remember what they were looking for in the first place. If what they need isn't there, they are then faced with the same process of looking for any subsequent songs. At this point, if it were myself, I just wouldn't bother, there's nothing on the page that is visually appealing and nothing to even browse without having to wonder exactly what is what. Short tables with in an article are fine, long tables that just appear like a wall of text and are so long that they make the point of using them in the first place redundant are painful, both to the eye and to use.[[User:‡-me-‡|‡-me-‡ - MansonWiki Admin]] 12:00, 20 September 2010 (UTC) | ::What that Yes or No meant was no longer easy to detect unless a user scroll all the way back up the page to see what column meant what, then scroll back down the page to find where they were originally looking and hopefully remember what they were looking for in the first place. If what they need isn't there, they are then faced with the same process of looking for any subsequent songs. At this point, if it were myself, I just wouldn't bother, there's nothing on the page that is visually appealing and nothing to even browse without having to wonder exactly what is what. Short tables with in an article are fine, long tables that just appear like a wall of text and are so long that they make the point of using them in the first place redundant are painful, both to the eye and to use.[[User:‡-me-‡|‡-me-‡ - MansonWiki Admin]] 12:00, 20 September 2010 (UTC) | ||
| − | :::So change the words "Yes" and "No" to the name of the tab (i.e. Guitar, Bass, etc.). What I submitted was still a work-in-progress, not much different from the tables above in this very page, which now that I review, I'd love to see implemented instead. <span style="background:#000000">[[User:Vixen Windstorm|<span style="color:#DEB887;">'''Alden Weston'''</span>]] [[User talk:Vixen Windstorm|<span style="color:#7BA05B;">'''talk'''</span>]]</span> 13:18, 20 September 2010 (UTC) | + | :::So change the words "Yes" and "No" to the name of the tab (i.e. Guitar, Bass, etc.). What I submitted was still a work-in-progress, not much different from the tables above in this very page, which now that I review, I'd love to see implemented instead. <span style="background:#000000">[[User:Vixen Windstorm|<span style="color:#DEB887;">'''Alden Weston'''</span>]] [[User talk:Vixen Windstorm|<span style="color:#7BA05B;">'''talk'''</span>]] <span style="color:#7BA05B;">'''–'''</span> <span class="plainlinks">[http://www.mansonwiki.com/forums/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=57 <span style="color:#7BA05B;">'''forum profile'''</span>]</span></span> 13:18, 20 September 2010 (UTC) |
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In case you didn't notice, the latest tabs that we archived are credited. We have added a disclaimer encouraging the original authors to come forth for proper credit if they so choose to do so. [[User:Godspeed|[god]speed -MansonWiki Admin]] 13:22, 20 September 2010 (UTC) | In case you didn't notice, the latest tabs that we archived are credited. We have added a disclaimer encouraging the original authors to come forth for proper credit if they so choose to do so. [[User:Godspeed|[god]speed -MansonWiki Admin]] 13:22, 20 September 2010 (UTC) | ||
| − | :We were recently submitted a collection of tablature that didn't have credits attached to them. When we are aware of authors, we certainly credit them. However in this case, we just didn't have that information. <span style="background:#000000">[[User:Vixen Windstorm|<span style="color:#DEB887;">'''Alden Weston'''</span>]] [[User talk:Vixen Windstorm|<span style="color:#7BA05B;">'''talk'''</span>]]</span> 13:23, 20 September 2010 (UTC) | + | :We were recently submitted a collection of tablature that didn't have credits attached to them. When we are aware of authors, we certainly credit them. However in this case, we just didn't have that information. <span style="background:#000000">[[User:Vixen Windstorm|<span style="color:#DEB887;">'''Alden Weston'''</span>]] [[User talk:Vixen Windstorm|<span style="color:#7BA05B;">'''talk'''</span>]] <span style="color:#7BA05B;">'''–'''</span> <span class="plainlinks">[http://www.mansonwiki.com/forums/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=57 <span style="color:#7BA05B;">'''forum profile'''</span>]</span></span> 13:23, 20 September 2010 (UTC) |
