Revision as of 09:48, 11 September 2010

Can someone tell me how to run this "START" program or whatever it's called? I have the album (Holy Wood (In The Shadow Of The Valley Of Death) ), and when I put the disc into my computer, all I get is a black screen with the picture of a cross made out of guns, and when I click on it, all it does is take me to the Interscope website. Little help? =o --Raven was here-- 03:29, 2 March 2010 (UTC)

it stopped being active years ago. NickSixx

The start program thing or the website? Because when I click the gun cross, it takes me to the Interscope website. =/ --Raven was here-- 03:59, 2 March 2010 (UTC)

This article NEEDS a serious overhaul

This article is MOSTLY well written, the introduction specifically is commendable writing. However, the meat of the article (no pun intended), the "Concept" section is fucking atrocious. It just rambles in a schizophrenic and not very cohesive or coherent manner (the randomly placed snippet on Coma Black being Coma White's opposite number on this album the biggest offender).

I should know, I helped write it and revise it many many times over the years from the Wikipedia page where all the stuff here was originally copied. And the current version in Wikipedia isn't finished as well either.

I think the concept section needs to be expanded and the concept itself explained in detail (Kadmon's journey, etc.). Where's mention of the fact that it's divided into song cycles and how that relates to the storyline, the many references to the Beatles's White Album either in the lyrics themselves (ie. You Say you wanted evolution/You say you want a revolution... from Disposable Teens which clearly reference the song Revolution 1) or in directly alluding to John Lennon himself and how both relates to Manson's criticism of the glorification of violence by mainstream American culture (as opposed to him) which both albums did. I believe Manson once also said that he intended for Holy Wood to be an industrial rock version of The White Album. What about the characters within the story? There's Adam Kadmon, but he's most likely only a collage representing humanity, and Coma Black. But what about President White (is he the one referred to as President Dead?), the King (In the Shadow of the Valley of Death & King Kill 33.. an actual king or a pop culture reference to Elvis?) and who or what is the Born Again (or was that just a symbolic turning point in the revolution uttered by Kadmon).

I also think the portion on Mechanical Animals and Antichrist Superstar shouldn't be here. There's already a dedicated page on the Trilogy (whereas in Wikipedia there isn't) so why shouldn't we just write in something to the effect of "To read more on the Trilogy, go here...etc"?

I'm asking all this from this website because we're all supposed to be Manson fans - by extension fucking authorities on the subject matter and yet arguably Manson's strongest work to date lacks the wiki article (here or in wikipedia) to explain to detractors where they're all so wrong with this guy.

-Red marquis 03:58, 9 August 2010 (UTC)

Hi there again, and thanks for the questions/input. Yes, I agree the Mechanical Animals and Antichrist Superstar portions of this article should be removed and a link to the Triptych page as suggested. The lyrical references that you have mentioned should probably be noted under the Trivia heading. Regarding concept, [god]speed and myself have always had a very strong interest in the interpretation of Manson's work. However, in the interests of MansonWiki, we strive to keep information factual. I'm sure you can understand that due to the complexity of the Triptych there are multiple perspectives and there are many different interpretations. So unless you can find direct quotes from Manson, with references, we would like to steer clear of the ambiguous. ‡-me-‡ 08:31, 9 August 2010 (UTC)

Here's a link I've found. Don't know how much it'll help but I feel with the 10th anniversary of this album coming up very soon, the article needs some major cleaning up.

Linky: Into the Mind of Marilyn - Red marquis 13:56, 9 August 2010 (UTC)

Consider the changes I've made today on this page, the Triptych and the Antichrist Superstar page the first salvo, nay, the first goosestep on the road to rehabilitation. -Red marquis 07:41, 10 August 2010 (UTC)

As of September 5, 2010, I think I have perfected this article. -Red marquis 17:30, 4 September 2010 (UTC)

Spoke too soon. The more I think I've perfected it, the more I find ways to improve it. Red marquis 07:15, 7 September 2010 (UTC)

Changing a paragraph in the Concept section. Need second opinion

I'll bracket and highlight the portions I've added. Admittedly, I was stoned on something really good last night when I wrote them, listening to Holy Wood. I find this method makes everything so much more meaningful and intense (as unconventional a method as it is). I was literally punching the wall with my fist during "Burning Flag", trying to get them to open.

By the way, I saw on Babalon that someone quoted what I wrote on Wikipedia to interpret "The Love Song": "metaphors [are] the father as the arm, the mother as the gun, and the children as the bullet". Just thought it was funny (so much more meaningful, see?). Anyway, for your consideration:

The backdrop of Holy Wood's storyline revolves around the two duelling regions of "Holy Wood" and "Death Valley". Its protagonist is "Adam Kadmon", an abstract character borrowed from the Kabbalah where he is described as the archetype for humanity and the first Adam from which every soul is descended. He is an anti-hero and a "rebel from the waist down" from Death Valley [who is "having an intense love relationship with a .9mm high-powered rifle".] He is threading his way through Holy Wood, [a surreal but thinly veiled take on America where religion and violence mean exactly the same, JFK is the TV-martyred modern day Christ, dead celebrities are saints and Jackie O is Mary Immaculate.] His revulsion at what he finds causes him to trigger a revolution through music to rail against "the old deceivers" - the "bitter thinkers who buy their tickets to go find god like a piggy in a fair". But it all soon goes wrong when his revolution is exploited by society. It is notable that the tragic and ill-fated character Coma White (from Mechanical Animals), which Adam has a quasi-romantic interest for, is referred to on this album as "Coma Black". At the record's conclusion, a defeated and disillusioned Kadmon is on the verge of suicide and can be heard playing Russian roulette with a revolver. His fate is deliberately left unknown after the fifth cock of the pistol.

-Red marquis 09:42, 11 September 2010 (UTC)