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Can someone tell me how to run this "START" program or whatever it's called? I have the album (Holy Wood (In The Shadow Of The Valley Of Death) ), and when I put the disc into my computer, all I get is a black screen with the picture of a cross made out of guns, and when I click on it, all it does is take me to the Interscope website. Little help? =o [[User:Raven the Ravenous|--Raven was here--]] 03:29, 2 March 2010 (UTC)  
 
Can someone tell me how to run this "START" program or whatever it's called? I have the album (Holy Wood (In The Shadow Of The Valley Of Death) ), and when I put the disc into my computer, all I get is a black screen with the picture of a cross made out of guns, and when I click on it, all it does is take me to the Interscope website. Little help? =o [[User:Raven the Ravenous|--Raven was here--]] 03:29, 2 March 2010 (UTC)  
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I should know, I helped write it and revise it many many times over the years from the Wikipedia page where all the stuff here was originally copied. And the current version in Wikipedia isn't finished as well either.  
 
I should know, I helped write it and revise it many many times over the years from the Wikipedia page where all the stuff here was originally copied. And the current version in Wikipedia isn't finished as well either.  
  
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I think the concept section needs to be expanded and the concept itself explained in detail (Kadmon's journey, etc.). Where's mention of the fact that it's divided into song cycles and how that relates to the storyline, the many references to the Beatles's White Album either in the lyrics themselves (ie. You Say you wanted evolution/You say you want a revolution... from Disposable Teens which clearly reference the song Revolution 1) or in directly alluding to John Lennon himself and how both relates to Manson's criticism of the glorification of violence by mainstream American culture (as opposed to him) which both albums did. I believe Manson once also said that he intended for Holy Wood to be an industrial rock version of The White Album. What about the characters within the story? There's Adam Kadmon, but he's most likely only a collage representing humanity, and Coma Black. But what about President White (is he the one referred to as President Dead?), the King (In the Shadow of the Valley of Death & King Kill 33.. an actual king or a pop culture reference to Elvis?) and who or what is the Born Again (or was that just a symbolic turning point in the revolution uttered by Kadmon).  
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I think the concept section needs to be expanded and the concept itself explained in detail (Kadmon's journey, etc.). Where's mention of the fact that it's divided into song cycles and how that relates to the storyline, the many references to the Beatles' White Album either in the lyrics themselves (ie. You Say you wanted evolution/You say you want a revolution... from Disposable Teens which clearly reference the song Revolution 1) or indirectly alluding to John Lennon himself and how both relate to Manson's criticism of the glorification of violence by mainstream American culture (as opposed to him) which both albums did. I believe Manson once also said that he intended for Holy Wood to be an industrial rock version of The White Album. What about the characters within the story? There's Adam Kadmon, but he's most likely only a collage representing humanity, and Coma Black. But what about President White (is he the one referred to as President Dead?), the King (In the Shadow of the Valley of Death & King Kill 33.. an actual king or a pop culture reference to Elvis?) and who or what is the Born Again (or was that just a symbolic turning point in the revolution uttered by Kadmon).  
  
 
I also think the portion on Mechanical Animals and Antichrist Superstar shouldn't be here. There's already a dedicated page on the Trilogy (whereas in Wikipedia there isn't) so why shouldn't we just write in something to the effect of "To read more on the Trilogy, go here...etc"?  
 
I also think the portion on Mechanical Animals and Antichrist Superstar shouldn't be here. There's already a dedicated page on the Trilogy (whereas in Wikipedia there isn't) so why shouldn't we just write in something to the effect of "To read more on the Trilogy, go here...etc"?  
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::::Sorry Red but I have to agree with [God]speed on this, there are just too many edits to keep going over and over..You're also starting to head into a lot of grey areas that are really open to too much interpretation. You're implying that Coma White/Black, were real, where as there are opinions that she was just an unattainable ideal, or yet again a multiple/alternate delusional personality of ADAM. I can assure you that we're very grateful for your work here, perhaps if you would like to make a thread on our forum to discuss and analyse these topics we can then go over concepts et cetera and hash things out there rather than going over edits. :) [[User:‡-me-‡|‡-me-‡ - MansonWiki Admin]] 11:31, 14 September 2010 (UTC)
 
::::Sorry Red but I have to agree with [God]speed on this, there are just too many edits to keep going over and over..You're also starting to head into a lot of grey areas that are really open to too much interpretation. You're implying that Coma White/Black, were real, where as there are opinions that she was just an unattainable ideal, or yet again a multiple/alternate delusional personality of ADAM. I can assure you that we're very grateful for your work here, perhaps if you would like to make a thread on our forum to discuss and analyse these topics we can then go over concepts et cetera and hash things out there rather than going over edits. :) [[User:‡-me-‡|‡-me-‡ - MansonWiki Admin]] 11:31, 14 September 2010 (UTC)
  
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:::::I understand. I'll be very curious to hear very soon. -[[User:Red marquis|Red marquis]] 11:34, 14 September 2010 (UTC)Here is the forum topic where you can discuss ideas for the articles [http://www.mansonwiki.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=1137] {{unsigned|Godspeed}}
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:::::I understand. I'll be very curious to hear very soon. -[[User:Red marquis|Red marquis]] 11:34, 14 September 2010 (UTC)Here is the forum topic where you can discuss ideas for the articles <nowiki>http://www.mansonwiki.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=7&amp;t=1137</nowiki> {{unsigned|Godspeed}}
  
 
== Holy Wood 10th Anniversary ==
 
== Holy Wood 10th Anniversary ==
  
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I'm celebrating the tenth anniversary of Holy Wood in my own way - by writing a proper wiki article for the record. Speaking of which, I've made great strides in that regard on wikipedia. So how about importing it here? I know it's an old argument so, to assuage any reservations you admins might have, how about one of you check it out. It will only take 5 minutes to shoot through it.  
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I'm celebrating the tenth anniversary of Holy Wood in my own way - by writing a proper wiki article for the record. Speaking of which, I've made great strides in that regard on Wikipedia. So how about importing it here? I know it's an old argument so, to assuage any reservations you admins might have, how about one of you check it out. It will only take 5 minutes to shoot through it.  
  
 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holy_Wood_(In_the_Shadow_of_the_Valley_of_Death)
 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holy_Wood_(In_the_Shadow_of_the_Valley_of_Death)
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Yes there is a major glitch in editing. Which is why I originally protected this page and a few others. The only way to 'fix' the glitch in the article is to not add content :/  Litso & Scarshock are looking into it.  
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Yes, there is a major glitch in editing. Which is why I originally protected this page and a few others. The only way to 'fix' the glitch in the article is to not add content :/  Litso & Scarshock are looking into it.  
 
[[User:Godspeed|&#91;god&#93;speed -MansonWiki Admin]] 01:43, 22 November 2010 (UTC)
 
[[User:Godspeed|&#91;god&#93;speed -MansonWiki Admin]] 01:43, 22 November 2010 (UTC)
  
 
: Why the page was removed? We've lost over 25.000 of views. Also this page currently isn't showing for me. --[[User:M1shael|M1shael]] 13:20, 27 November 2010 (UTC)
 
: Why the page was removed? We've lost over 25.000 of views. Also this page currently isn't showing for me. --[[User:M1shael|M1shael]] 13:20, 27 November 2010 (UTC)
  
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For the past two weeks there has been a major glitch where any edits to this page result in the content blanking. I've mentioned it to Litso/Scarshock and haven't heard anything back. Page views don't mean anything if you can't contribute to an article, and RedMarquis has been wanted to add content to this article but once anyone edits it, it blanks the page but the content is still there when you edit. I don't know what the deal is with it.  [[User:Godspeed|&#91;god&#93;speed -MansonWiki Admin]] 14:39, 27 November 2010 (UTC)
  
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:''This article is about the album. For other uses, see [[In the Shadow of the Valley of Death]] and [[Holy Wood (novel)]].''
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:No more edits to this page until the bug is fixed. It's better to have an article that can be read than an article that no one can see. :/ [[User:‡-me-‡|‡-me-‡ - MansonWiki Admin]] 14:43, 27 November 2010 (UTC)
  
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* Well lets see if a few edits to citeweb and template cite book fixes the error, K? [[User:Godspeed|&#91;god&#93;speed -MansonWiki Admin]] 14:44, 27 November 2010 (UTC)
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| Name        = Holy Wood (In the Shadow of the Valley of Death)
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| Artist      = [[Marilyn Manson (band)|Marilyn Manson]]
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| Cover      = HolyWood(InTheShadowOfTheValleyOfDeath).jpg
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| Released    = November 13, 2000 (United Kingdom)<br/>November 14, 2000 (Australia and United States)<br/>December 5, 2000 (Japan)
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| Recorded    = 1999–2000 at the Mansion in Death Valley, California
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| Genre      = Alternative metal, heavy metal, industrial metal
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| Label      = [[Nothing Records|Nothing]], [[Interscope Records|Interscope]]
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| Producer    = [[Marilyn Manson]], Dave Sardy
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[http://www.nachtkabarett.com/theThirdAndFinalBeast The Third And Final Beast (Nachtkabarett)]<br />
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[http://www.nachtkabarett.com/LogosAndSymbology/GunCrucifix Holywood Gun Crucifix (Nachtkabarett)]<br />
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| Last album  = ''[[The Last Tour on Earth]]''<br/>(1999)
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| This album  = '''''Holy Wood (In the Shadow of the Valley of Death)'''''<br/>(2000)
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| Next album  = ''[[The Golden Age of Grotesque]]''<br/>(2003)
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'''''Holy Wood (In the Shadow of the Valley of Death)''''' is the fourth full-length studio album by [[Marilyn Manson (band)|Marilyn Manson]]. It was released on November 14, 2000 in the US and Australia by [[Interscope Records]]. Unlike their previous outings, ''Holy Wood'' was a commercial disappointment despite generally favorable reviews from critics<ref name="metacritic2000">{{cite web | url = http://www.metacritic.com/music/holy-wood-in-the-shadow-of-the-valley-of-death | title = Marilyn Manson: Holy Wood (In the Shadow of the Valley of Death) (2000): Reviews | publisher = Metacritic | accessdate = 2010-11-15}}</ref> and marked a return to the industrial rock/metal style of the band's earlier efforts after the group's foray into glam rock on ''Mechanical Animals''.
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It is a concept album and the third and final installment in a [[Tryptich|trilogy]] that includes ''[[Antichrist Superstar]]'' and ''[[Mechanical Animals]]''.<ref name="Amazon"/> It charted at No. 13 on the Billboard 200<ref name="Billboard Holy Wood charting"/> and spawned three singles ("[[Disposable Teens]]", "[[The Fight Song (Marilyn Manson song)|The Fight Song]]" and "[[The Nobodies]]") and a [[Holy Wood (novel)|novel]] which remains currently unreleased.<ref name="AP#148"/>
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After its release, [[Marilyn Manson]] revealed that his concept album trilogy is told in a reverse timeline (chronologically reverse from their actual release dates). ''Holy Wood'', therefore, opens the storyline followed by ''Mechanical Animals'' and concluded with ''Antichrist Superstar''.<ref name="VH1.com">{{cite web|last=Saidman |first=Sorelle |url=http://www.vh1.com/artists/news/1124176/20000918/marilyn_manson.jhtml |title=Marilyn Manson Unveils Tour Plans, First Single For Holy Wood |publisher=MTV News Online (latterly VH1.com) |date=2000-09-18 |accessdate=2010-11-16}}</ref><ref name="AP#148"/>
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i was perusing Discogs.com and found [https://www.discogs.com/release/16618239-Marilyn-Manson-HOLY-WOOD-Unmastered-No-Particular-Order this] was posted last year
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Since it is the band's first album following the ''Columbine High School massacre'' on April 20, 1999, ''Holy Wood'' served the group as both rebuttal and retort at the accusations leveled at them. The band's [[Marilyn Manson|controversial frontman]] has described the record as "a declaration of war".<ref name="Robinson"/><ref name="autogenerated40"/>
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The album's conception and gestation was marked by the singer's three month seclusion at his then home in the Hollywood Hills following the ''Columbine'' tragedy. During this period of relative silence, Manson avoided interviews and publicity.<ref name="AP#148"/><ref name="autogenerated40"/> The musician spent this time vacillating on "what I was going to do and how I was going to react"<ref name="autogenerated40"/>, stating, "There was a bit of trepidation, deciding, 'Is it worth it? Are people understanding what I'm trying to say? Am I even gonna be allowed to ''say'' it? Because I definitely had every single door shut in my face...there were not a lot of people who stood behind me."<ref name="AP#148"/> The singer would later admit in ''Alternative Press'' that there was also a genuine concern for his safety, "...one reason I ''didn't'' leave was, I genuinely believed that there was a realistic possibility that I could be shot Mark David Chapman-style". A further blow would come in the form of the disintegration of his long-term relationship with then-fiancée, actress [[Rose McGowan]].<ref name="AP#148">{{cite book |last=Lanham |first= Tom |title= Marilyn Manson interview |archiveurl= |archivedate= |page=76-86 |accessdate=2010-11-22 |type=interview |edition= |series= |issue=#148 |volume= |date= |year=2000 |month=November |origyear= |publisher=''Alternative Press'' |location= |language=English}}</ref> However, in May of that year, the embattled musician began to address the accusations starting with his notable ''Rolling Stone'' magazine op-ed piece, "[[Columbine: Whose Fault Is It?]]".<ref>{{cite book |last= Manson |first= Marilyn |title= Columbine: Whose Fault Is It? |archiveurl= |archivedate= |accessdate=2010-11-17 |type=op-ed essay |edition= |series= |volume= |date= |year=1999 |month=May 28 |origyear= |publisher=''Rolling Stone'' magazine |location= |language=English}}</ref>
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After deciding to continue making music, the band spent a year of production and recording.<ref name="Long">{{cite web|last=Long |first=April |url=http://www.nme.com/reviews/marilyn-manson/3456 |title=Holy Wood (In the Shadow of the Valley of Death) album review |publisher=NME Magazine |date=2000-11-10 |accessdate=2010-08-15}}</ref><ref name="autogenerated40">{{cite book |last= Bryant |first= Tom |title= Screaming For Vengeance |archiveurl= |archivedate= |page=40-42 |accessdate=2010-11-14 |type=interview |edition= |series= |issue=Nevember 2010 |volume= |date= |year=2010 |month=November |origyear=2001 |publisher=''Kerrang!'' |location= |language=English}}</ref> Of the album, Manson stated, "The news media held me responsible for basically every act of violence that happened in America, no matter what. So what should I do? Stand there and let them fuck me over or turn around and smash their teeth in? I decided that I'm going to do the latter and I'm going to do it so hard that they'll wish they've never been born."<ref name="autogenerated40"/>
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The album was written in Manson's aforementioned former home, which is the same house where the Rolling Stones were rumoured to have written ''Let It Bleed''.<ref name="VH1.com"/> Recording was done in a mansion that once belonged to escape artist Harry Houdini.<ref name="metroactive.com"/> Manson has claimed that over 100 songs had been written during the production of ''Holy Wood'', though only 19 made it into the final product.<ref name="Basham">{{cite web|last=Basham |first=David |url=http://www.mtv.com/news/articles/1431695/19991216/marilyn_manson.jhtml|title= Manson To Walk In The "Valley Of Death" For Next LP |publisher=MTVNews.com |date= 1999-12-16|accessdate=2010-11-17}}</ref>
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As a concept album, ''Holy Wood'''s plot is a thinly-veiled satire of modern America centered on its ill-fated protagonist "[[Adam Kadmon]]". Kadmon is an idealistic abstract figure borrowed from the Kabbalah where he is described as the "Primal Man" or, in the similar Sufic and Alevi philosophy, "Perfect or Complete Man""; the very archetype for humanity.<ref name="metroactive.com"/> Disillusionment takes over the protagonist, however, as he watches humanity consumed by Holy Wood's ideology of ''<nowiki>'</nowiki>Guns, God and Government<nowiki>'</nowiki>'' into a culture of death and fame that holds celebrity-worship, violence and scapegoatism as moral values and martyrdom has become religion &mdash; a religion that canonize dead celebrities into saints and idolize [[References to John F. Kennedy in Marilyn Manson's music|'Jack' Kennedy]] as the transfigured'' '[[Lamb of God]]' ''and modern-day Christ. Deliberately a parallel of Christianity and a critique of both American celebrity culture and of Jesus Christ's own role as the blueprint of that culture and the ''[[The Dead Rock Star|'Dead Rock Star']]'' martyr/celebrity phenomenon,<ref>{{cite book |last= Manson |first= Marilyn |title= The Dead Rock Star |archiveurl= |archivedate= |accessdate=2010-11-17 |type=op-ed essay |edition= |series= |volume= |date= |year=2002 |month= |origyear= |publisher=''Rolling Stone'' magazine |location= |language=English}}</ref> this religion is named "[[Celebritarian Corporation|Celebritarianism]]".<ref name="Robinson"/> In Manson's own words, "'Holy Wood' &mdash; which isn't even that great of a hyperbole of America &mdash; is a place where an obituary is just another headline. Where if you die and enough people are watching, then you're famous."<ref name="AP#148"/> The ''Guns, God and Government'' world tour that supported the album expanded on this with the tour's logo &mdash; a rifle and handguns arranged to resemble the Christian cross. Much like in ''Mechanical Animals'', another lesser character is found in "[[Coma Black]]". Similar to the character of "[[Coma White]]" from the previous album, Coma Black is an obscure figure which, simultaneously, may or may not be an unattainable ideal, an androgynous facet of Adam or an actual person.<ref name="metroactive.com">{{cite web|last=Quelland |first=Sarah |url=http://www.metroactive.com/papers/metro/12.14.00/cover/manson-0050.html |title=Into the Mind of Marilyn |publisher=Metroactive Music |date=2000-12-14 |accessdate=2010-08-10}}</ref>
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The album makes numerous confrontational references to events and figures in pop culture history to audit everyone's complicity (especially those of Manson's accusers) in creating the culture that culminated in ''Columbine''. With an eye toward their implications and ramifications, the vast number of these allusions primarily drew from the cultural impact of the tumultuous and defining Cold War period of 1960s America.<ref name="VH1.com"/> A substantial amount of the record is devoted to a cultural analysis of Abraham Zapruder's film of the JFK Assassination (especially Frame 313) during the "Winter of our Discontent"<ref name="VH1.com"/>, on which Manson has commented, "To me, that's the only thing that's happened in modern times to equal the crucifixion of Christ"<ref name="AP#148"/> and further sarcastically described in an [[Interview:Dec 1999 Marilyn Manson Last Poll Of The Century|op-ed piece for ''Rolling Stone'']] as "[a] good clip of mankind’s generosity to share his violence with the world in such a cinematic way."<ref>{{cite book |last= Manson |first= Marilyn |title= Last Poll Of The Century |archiveurl= |archivedate= |accessdate=2010-11-17 |type=op-ed essay |edition=Millennium Special |series= |volume= |date= |year=1999 |month=Dec 15 |origyear= |publisher=''Rolling Stone'' magazine |location= |language=English}}</ref> The death of notable author and intellectual [[Target Audience (Narcissus Narcosis)|Aldous Huxley]] on the same day is also brought up &mdash; a fact buried in newspapers the following morning because JFK's greater celebrity gave his assassination top-billing in the headlines &mdash; and subsequently deplored with a quip often attributed to Joseph Stalin, "[[The Fight Song|One death is a tragedy. A million deaths is just a statistic]]". The record further drew parallels with what Manson saw as the climate of fear directed against youth culture in the 1990's and the Altamont Free Concert tragedy which brought an abrupt and violent end to the 'love generation', identifying the latter as the point that cemented America's fear of its own children.<ref name="VH1.com"/>
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Allegories in the album to The Beatles' ''White Album'' and the Charles Manson murders<ref name="VH1.com"/> are especially significant regarding an issue brought up in the wake of ''Columbine'' &mdash; anti-mimesis or ''life imitating art)'', since the ''White Album'' was thought to have played a key role in the Tate/LaBianca murder case when news media reported that Charles Manson took inspiration from his misreading of the record, resulting in his infamous ''Helter Skelter'' manifesto. Marilyn Manson observed that the Beatles song of the same name "was the first piece of music to be blamed and associated with violence".<ref name="VH1.com">{{cite web|last=Saidman |first=Sorelle |url=http://www.vh1.com/artists/news/1124176/20000918/marilyn_manson.jhtml |title=Marilyn Manson Unveils Tour Plans, First Single For Holy Wood |publisher=MTV News Online (latterly VH1.com) |date=2000-09-18 |accessdate=2010-11-16}}</ref> In this sense, the rock singer drew parallels with the ''White Album''; both him and it have been used as a scapegoat by a traumatized, knee-jerk reactionary American public and both expound on America's obsession with guns and violence and addresses the political concepts of evolution and revolution.<ref name="metroactive.com"/> Most critically, however, the record puts a spotlight on the universal phenomenon of the press 'canonizing' people into media martyrdom in TV or print by turning their death into a vulturistic overexposed spectacle. He cites, as examples, icons of American assassination such as [[Lamb of God|John Lennon, John F. Kennedy and Jesus Christ]] who have attained cult-of-personality celebrity-worship as a result.<ref name="metroactive.com"/> Of Kennedy and Christ's martyrdom he opines,
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{{cquote|Christ was the blue-print for celebrity. He was the first celebrity, or rock star if want to look at it that way, and [dying on the cross] he became this image of sexuality and suffering. He’s literally marketed &mdash; A crucifix is no different than a concert T-shirt in some ways. I think for America, in my lifetime, John F. Kennedy kind of took the place of that [as a modern day Christ] in some ways. [Being murdered on TV], he became lifted up as this icon and this Christ figure [by America].|author= Marilyn Manson|source=Marilyn Manson - Revelations of an Alien-Messiah<ref>{{cite book |last= Gargano |first= Paul |title= Revelations of an Alien-Messiah |archiveurl= |archivedate= |accessdate=2010-11-17 |type=interview |edition= |series= |pages=08-13 |volume=44 |date= |year=1999 |month=Jul |origyear= |publisher=''Metal Edge'' magazine |location= |language=English}}</ref>}}
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When Bill O'Reilly suggested, in an interview on the ''O'Reilly Factor'', that 'disturbed' kids could misinterpret certain lyrics in his 1996 song "[[The Reflecting God]]" to mean "when I'm dead everybody's going to know me", Manson replied by tying the aforementioned observations to ''Columbine'',
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{{cquote|Well I think that's a very valid point and I think that it's a reflection of, not necessarily this programme but of television in general, that if you die and enough people are watching you become a martyr, you become a hero, you become well known. So when you have these things like ''Columbine'', and you have these kids who are angry and they have something to say and no one's listening, the news media sends a message that says if you do something loud enough and it gets our attention then you ''will'' be famous for it.
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Those kids ended up on the cover of ''Time'' magazine, the news media [and the American audience] gave them exactly what they wanted. That's why I never did any interviews around that time when I was being blamed for it because I didn't want to contribute to something that I found to be reprehensible.|author=Marilyn Manson |source=Marilyn Manson on the O'Reilly Factor<ref>{{cite web|last= |first= |url=http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,32588,00.html |title=Partial transcript of Marilyn Manson on the O'Reilly Factor  |publisher=FOXNews.com |date=2001-08-28 |accessdate=2010-11-16}}</ref><ref>{{cite web|last= |first= |url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G6n5Oi4714o |title=Marilyn Manson on the O'Reilly Factor  |publisher=YouTube |date= |accessdate=2010-11-09}}</ref>}}
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Like ''Antichrist Superstar'', the album also utilizes a compositional device called the song cycle structure dividing ''Holy Wood'' into four sections which form the framework and outline of Kadmon's story: A: In the Shadow, D: The Androgyne, A: Of Red Earth and M: The Fallen.
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The album's cover, which portrayed Manson in a crucified pose with a missing jaw as a dual statement on censorship and America's obsession with media martyrs,<ref name="metroactive.com"/> generated minor controversy upon release and had to be offered with a cardboard sleeve featuring an alternative cover due to some retailers refusing to stock the album with the original artwork. Manson described the move as "censorship" and stated that "those who seek to censor my album cover have successfully proven [the] point [of the image]."<ref name="autogenerated40"/>
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: ''See also [[Holy Wood (novel)]] for more details''
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The album was originally to be accompanied by a [[Holy Wood (novel)|book]] and a film of the same name which were to further explore the album's backstory.<ref name="autogenerated40"/><ref>{{cite web|last=Norris |first=John |url=http://www.mtv.com/news/articles/1431696/19991124/marilyn_manson.jhtml |title=Marilyn Manson To Probe Celebrity And Suffering In New Film, Next Album |publisher=MTVNews |date=1999-11-24|accessdate=2010-11-17}}</ref> In an interview with Manson in December 2000, Chuck Palahniuk briefly mentions the book and compliments its style, adding it is due for release "next spring".<ref>Palahniuk, Chuck (Dec 2000/Jan 2001 issue). "Destiny's Child", page 73. ''Gear Magazine''</ref> The book has yet to be released, allegedly due to a publishing dispute,<ref>{{cite web|last= |first= |url=http://www.mansonwiki.com/wiki/Interview:Feb_2005_Marilyn_Manson_and_David_Duchovny_Playstation_Magazine |title=Alien Autopsy |publisher=''Official U.S. PlayStation Magazine'' |date=February 2005|accessdate=2010-11-08}}</ref> and the film never began production.
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In support of the album, Marilyn Manson launched the Guns, God and Government Tour, which featured six legs and a total of 125 shows.<ref name="LAWeeklyPage2">{{cite web|last=Burk |first=Greg |url=http://www.laweekly.com/2001-01-18/news/marilyn-a-re-examination/2/ |title=Marilyn:A Re-Examination (page 2) |publisher=''LA Weekly'' |date=2001-01-18 |accessdate=2010-08-22}}</ref> The ''[[Guns, God and Government Ozzfest 2001 Tour|Ozzfest]]'' leg of the tour is particularly notable since it marked Marilyn Manson's first performance in [[2001/06/22 Denver, CO|Denver, Colorado]] (on June 22, 2001) since ''Columbine''. Predictably, the band met heavy resistance from conservative groups with the performer receiving numerous death threats and calls to skip the date.<ref>{{cite web|url=http://www.roadrunnerrecords.com/blabbermouth.net/news.aspx?mode=Article&newsitemID=73792 |title=Marilyn Manson: 'I'm Always Going To Be Bad' |publisher=Blabbermouth.Net |date=2007-06-02 |accessdate=2010-11-20}}</ref><ref>{{cite web|url=http://www.roadrunnerrecords.com/blabbermouth.net/news.aspx?mode=Article&newsitemID=70581 |title=Marilyn Manson: 'My Greatest Fear Has Always Been Not Being Able To Create' |publisher=Blabbermouth.Net |date=2007-04-15 |accessdate=2010-11-20}}</ref> The Christian organization ''Citizens for Peace and Respect'' asserted on their website that the band "promotes hate, violence, death, suicide, drug use, and the attitudes and actions of the Columbine killers".<ref name="coloradoantimanson">{{cite web|last=D'Angelo |first=Joe |url=http://www.mtv.com/news/articles/1443825/20010517/marilyn_manson.jhtml |title=Colorado Governor, Congressman Support Anti-Manson Group |publisher=MTVNews.com |date=2001-05-21 |accessdate=2010-11-17}}</ref> In response, Manson promised,
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{{cquote|I will provide a show where I balance my songs with a wholesome Bible reading. This way, fans will not only hear my so-called 'violent' point of view, but we can examine the virtues of wonderful Christian stories of disease, murder, adultery, suicide and child sacrifice. Now that seems like 'entertainment' to me.|4=[[Marilyn Manson]]<ref name="coloradoantimanson"/>}}
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The Denver show also provided the backdrop for Manson's landmark interview on gun violence and America's climate of fear in Michael Moore's 2002 documentary ''Bowling for Columbine''.<ref>{{cite web|url=http://www.bowlingforcolumbine.com/media/clips/windowsmedia.php?Clip=manson1021LG |title=Marilyn Manson Interview on Bowling for Columbine |publisher=[http://www.bowlingforcolumbine.com/index.php Bowling for Columbine Official Website] |date=2002-10-11 |accessdate=2010-11-15}}</ref>
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The album received generally favorable reviews. It earned a collective score of 72% out of 100 from Metacritic.<ref name="metacritic2000"/> Barry Walters from ''Rolling Stone'' commented that "The band truly rocks: Its malevolent groove fleshes out its leader's usual complaints with an exhilarating swagger that's the essence of rock & roll.... On Holy Wood, Manson is as ambitious, personal and heavy as he's ever been, but the album is not, as he has proclaimed, the band's White Album. The music of these L.A. scenesters, though still evolving, can't hope to match the Beatles' level of eclectic experimentation or melodicism."<ref>{{cite web|last=Walter |first= Barry |url=http://www.rollingstone.com/music/reviews/album/7480/38009 |title=Holy Wood (In The Shadow Of The Valley Of Death) review |publisher=''Rolling Stone'' |date=2000-11-22 |accessdate=2010-11-22}}</ref> Stephen Thomas Erlewine of ''Allmusic'' commented that "Much of its charm lies in Manson trying so hard, perfecting details in the concept, lyrics, themes, production, sequencing, the tarot card parodies in the liner notes, the self-theft, the self-consciously blasphemous cover art. There's so much effort, Holy Wood winds up a stronger and more consistent album than any of his other work. If there's any problem, it's that Manson's shock rock seems a little quaint in 2000."<ref>{{cite web|last=Erlewine |first= Stephen Thomas|url=http://www.allmusic.com/album/holy-wood-in-the-shadow-of-the-valley-of-death-r506566/review |title=Holy Wood (In The Shadow Of The Valley Of Death) [Enhanced] review |publisher=Allmusic.com |date= |accessdate=2010-11-16}}</ref> ''PopMatters'' commented: "The central flaw of Holy Wood is that the power of its message, an important and provocative one, is watered down by its artistic pretensions. While Holy Wood is often affecting, it would be a better album if it was shorter and dealt with its subject matter directly, instead of through the veil of the 'concept album'."<ref name="Robinson"/> Katherine Turman of ''Amazon'' commented "The impact of Marilyn Manson's subversive musical agenda has waned, and what's left is a provocative, talented artist writing affecting, powerful, and yes, controversial songs...Rife with references to the Beatles and the Kennedys, and full of pop-culture barbs, Holy Wood is a musically diverse and powerful statement...Like Marilyn Manson the man, Holy Wood is intelligent, dynamic, and multifaceted, with myriad charms that are evident to the tuned-in listener."<ref>{{cite web|last=Turman |first= Katherine|url=http://www.amazon.com/Holy-Wood-Shadow-Valley-Death/dp/B000050ITX/ref=sr_1_1?s=music&ie=UTF8&qid=1289904690&sr=1-1 |title=Holy Wood (In The Shadow Of The Valley Of Death) Enhanced CD Editorial Review by Amazon.com |publisher=Amazon.com |date= |accessdate=2010-11-16}}</ref>
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According to ''LA Weekly'', "Yeah, it's a party. And it's great rock music. Those who claim Manson "went back to Goth" and reclaimed Antichrist's noise after Mechanical proved too subtle for kids are only partly right. Okay, he virtually cloned his hit "The Beautiful People" in "Disposable Teens." And there are several familiar yell-and-stomp numbers on Holy Wood. But even those almost all contain a double-take chord change or a textural overdose or a mind-blowing bridge, and they'll be terroristic in concert. More important, there are a bunch of plain brilliant tracks where Manson anoints bits of rock history into his own church."<ref name="metacriticreviews">{{cite web|url=http://www.metacritic.com/music/holy-wood-in-the-shadow-of-the-valley-of-death/critic-reviews |title=Critic Reviews for Holy Wood (In the Shadow of the Valley of Death) - Marilyn Manson |publisher=Metacritic |date= |accessdate=2010-11-22}}</ref> ''Billboard Magazine'' said, "Manson proves again that he's one of the most skilled lyricists in rock today." <ref name="metacriticreviews"/> ''DOTMusic'' commented "Where 'Holy Wood' does come together and threaten to transcend its at times cliched parts is in its clarity of vision. This is a lean, visceral album that is as tripwire lithe as its maker. Manson's also remembered to write some great pop-goth tunes this time out, nowhere more so than with first single 'Disposable Teens'."<ref name="metacriticreviews"/> ''Sonicnet'' commented "Nonetheless, while more ambitious than almost all of today's metal-flaked rock competition, the 19-track Holy Wood is not without its problems. On numbers such as "President Dead" and "Cruci-Fiction in Space," the band seems to be just rehashing old terrain. And, while The Wall may be a worthy role model, Manson and company don't quite have Pink Floyd's lyrical or musical range, adding to the rote feeling that troubles some of this overlong (60+ minutes) disc."<ref name="metacriticreviews"/> Robert Hilburn of the ''Los Angeles Times'' commented "Manson can go on teasing his fan base with his Grand Guignol circus show, but it's hard to imagine in the age of Eminem and other hard-core rappers that he is still even in the Top 10 on parents' most-feared list. That makes him seem severely dated--and he doesn't do much to correct the impression. For someone with the ambition and possibly the talent to be the new [[David Bowie]], Manson appears resolved to settling for the new [[Alice Cooper]]. Manson is a smart, articulate, likable guy. He's too talented to be wasting his time chasing the ghost of Alice Cooper."<ref>{{cite web|last=Hilburn |first=Robert |url=http://articles.latimes.com/2001/jan/15/entertainment/ca-12501 |title=Marilyn's Moon on the Wane page. 1 |publisher=''Los Angeles Times'' |date=2001-01-15 |accessdate=2010-11-20}}</ref><ref>{{cite web|last=Hilburn |first=Robert |url=http://articles.latimes.com/2001/jan/15/entertainment/ca-12501/2 |title=Marilyn's Moon on the Wane page. 2 |publisher=''Los Angeles Times'' |date=2001-01-15 |accessdate=2010-11-20}}</ref> In 2001, UK music magazine ''Kerrang!'' named ''Holy Wood'' the year's "Best Album" at their annual ''Kerrang! Awards''.<ref>{{cite web|url=http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/entertainment/1513974.stm |title=Manson wins Kerrang! honour |publisher=BBC News |date=2001-08-28 |accessdate=2010-11-19}}</ref>
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''Kerrang!'' published a 10th anniversary commemorative piece on the album in their November 10, 2010 issue called ''Screaming For Vengeance''<ref name="autogenerated40"/> in which they called the album "Manson's finest hour...A decade on, there has still not been as eloquent and savage a musical attack on the media and mainstream culture as Manson achieved with ''Holy Wood''...[It is] still scathingly relevant today." The article goes on to say, "...perhaps that's where ''Holy Wood'' achieved its greatest success. In deflecting the attention that was targeted at him back onto the [news] media, they reacted exactly as he knew they would: by blustering and further exposing their own inadequacies... The shame of it all, though, is that so little has changed. That the album is still so relevant today suggests it failed in its task of changing attitudes. That it exists at all, though, is a credit to a man who refused to sit and take it, but instead come out swinging."<ref name="autogenerated40"/>
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<small>ALL LYRICS BY [[Marilyn Manson|M. MANSON]] ·· '''[[GodEatGod|1.]]''' (music: MANSON) keyboards and bass · synth: Manson · Vocals: Manson · Guitars: [[John 5|John5]] · Lead guitar: [[Twiggy|T. Ramirez]] · Ambience: [[Stephen Bier|M.W. Gacy]] · Synth: [[Bon Harris]] · Noise rhythm guitar: Dave Sardy ·· '''[[The Love Song|2.]]''' (music: RAMIREZ., 5) Vocals and ouro-lead guitar: Manson · Guitar and Bass: T. Ramirez · Guitars: John5 · Keyboards and samples: M.W. Gacy · Live drums and siren loop: [[Ginger Fish]] · Synth and drum programming: Bon Harris ·· '''[[The Fight Song|3.]]''' (music: 5) Vocals: Manson · Bass and additional guitar: T. Ramirez · Rhythm and lead guitar: John5 · Keyboards and loops: M.W. Gacy · Live drums: Ginger Fish ·· '''[[Disposable Teens|4.]]''' (music: 5, RAMIREZ) Vocals: Manson · Bass: T. Ramirez · Guitar and synth guitar: John5 · Synth and electronic percussion: Bon Harris · Live drums: Ginger Fish · Keyboards: M.W. Gacy · Pills: D. Sardy ·· '''[[Target Audience (Narcissus Narcosis)|5.]]''' (music: RAMIREZ, 5) Vocals and Optigan: Manson · Bass and additional lead guitar: T. Ramirez · All guitars: John5 · Loop and live drums: Ginger Fish · Synth and loops: M.W. Gacy · Drum programming and synth: Bon Harris ·· '''[["President Dead"|6.]]''' (music: RAMIREZ., 5, GACY) Vocals, syncussion, and mellotron: Manson · Rhythm Guitar and bass: T. Ramirez · Lead and rhythm guitar: John5 · Loop and live drums: Ginger Fish · Keyboards: M.W. Gacy · Backing Vocals: Alex Suttle ·· '''[[In the Shadow of the Valley of Death|7.]]''' (music: RAMIREZ., 5) Vocals and distorted flute: Manson · All Keyboards: M.W. Gacy · All guitars: John5 · Death Loop and live drums: Ginger Fish · Bass: T. Ramirez ·· '''[[Cruci-Fiction in Space|8.]]''' (music: RAMIREZ., 5, GACY) Vocals and piano: Manson · Rhythm guitar, bass: T. Ramirez · Rhythm and lead guitar: John5 · Live drums:  Ginger Fish · Keyboards, loops and ambiences: M.W. Gacy · Insect hi-hat: Bon Harris ·· '''[[A Place in the Dirt|9.]]''' (music: 5) Vocals and Ambience: Manson · Synth bass and keyboards: M.W,. Gacy · Live drums and loop: Ginger Fish · Bass: T. Ramirez · Acoustic, electric and slide guitars: John5 · Synths, sleigh bells and manipulation: Bon Harris ·· '''[[The Nobodies|10.]]''' (music: 5, MANSON) electric harpsichord: Manson · Guitars: John5 · Bass: T. Ramirez · Keyboards and ambiences: M.W. Gacy · Drum machine and live kit: Ginger Fish · Vocals: Manson ·· '''[[The Death Song|11.]]''' (music: 5, MANSON) Vocals: Manson · guitars: John 5 · Bass: T.Ramirez · Synth bass and electronics: Bon Harris · Loop and live drums: Ginger Fish · Children's choir and canned laughter of dead people unsure of why they are laughing: M.W. Gacy ·· '''[[Lamb of God|12.]]''' (music: RAMIREZ.) Vocals, piano and pianette: Manson · Bass, lead and Leslie guitar, keys and drum loop: T. Ramirez · Acoustic, rhythm and lead guitar: John5 · Live drums: Ginger Fish · Ambience: M.W. Gacy · Synths: Bon Harris ·· '''[[Born Again|13.]]''' (music: RAMIREZ., 5) Vocals and synth bass: Manson · Bass and verse guitar: T. Ramirez · Guitar and lead guitar: John5 · Keyboards: M.W. Gacy · Drum Programming: Ginger Fish and Bon Harris · Bass and other synths: Bon Harris · Additional loops: [[Danny Saber]] · Recorded live February 14, 1997 ·· '''[[Burning Flag|14.]]''' (music: RAMIREZ., 5) Vocals: Manson
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Guitar and bass: T. Ramirez · Guitar: John5 · Live drums: Ginger Fish · Organic drum programming: Bon Harris and D. Sardy · Synth and destructive manipulation: Bon Harris · Keyboards: M.W. Gacy ·· '''[[Coma Black|15.]]''' a)(music: MANSON, 5, RAMIREZ.) Vocals and clean rhythm guitar: Manson · Bass, warped rhythm guitars and add. lead: T. Ramirez · Phase, lead and rhythm guitar: John5 · Loops and live drums: Ginger Fish · Synths, ambience and keyboards: M.W. Gacy ·  b)(music: MANSON) Vocals and clean guitar: Manson · Rhythm Guitar: John5 · Bass and lead guitar: T. Ramirez · Loop: Ginger Fish ·· '''[[Valentine's Day|16.]]''' (music: RAMIREZ., MANSON) Vocals and piano: Manson · Bass and noise lead guitars: T. Ramirez · Loop and live drums: Ginger Fish · Lead and rhythm guitars: John5 · Keyboards and mellotron: M.W. Gacy · Synthesizers: Bon Harris ·· '''[[The Fall of Adam|17.]]''' (music: RAMIREZ., 5) Vocals: Manson · Acoustic, rhythm and synth guitar: John 5 · Bass and rhythm guitar: T. Ramirez · Live drums: Ginger Fish ·· '''[[King Kill 33°|18.]]''' (music: RAMIREZ) Vocals: Manson · Bass: T. Ramirez · Guitars and synth guitars: John5 · Keyboards and Synth: M.W. Gacy · Live drums: Ginger Fish ·· '''[[Count to Six and Die (The Vacuum of Infinite Space Encompassing)|19.]]''' (music: 5) Vocals: Manson · Synth strings and Ambiences: M.W. Gacy · Piano: Bon Harris ····· [[Celebritarian]]™ used by permission
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···ALL TRACKS ©2000 EMI BLACKWOOD MUSIC ON BEHALF OF ITSELF, SONGS OF GOLGOTHA MUSIC (BMI), BLOOD HEAVY MUSIC (BMI) & DCLXVI MUSIC (BMI).  ALL RIGHTS ADMINISTERED WORLDWIDE BY EMI BLACKWOOD MUSIC INC. · MANSON: ALL TRACKS, SONGS OF GOLGOTHA MUSIC · RAMIREZ: ALL TRACKS, BLOOD HEAVY MUSIC, EXCEPT 1, 3, 9, 10, 11, 15b, 19 · JOHN 5: ALL TRACKS, GTR. HACK MUSIC / CHRYSALIS MUSIC ASCAP, EXCEPT 1, 12, 15b, 16, 18 · GACY: TRACKS 6 & 8 DCLXVI MUSIC
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'''HOLY WOOD CONCEIVED AND ARRANGED BY [[Marilyn Manson (band)|MARILYN MANSON]]'''<br>
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<small>ENGINEERED BY GRED FIDELMAN · ALL PRO-TOOLS: GREG FIDELMAN · EDITING, PROGRAMMING & PRE-PRODUCTION BY BON HARRIS · ADDITIONAL ENGINEERING BY PAUL NORTHFIELD · RECORDED @ THE MANSION · ADDITIONAL RECORDING @ HOLLY STUDIOS, SUNSET SOUND FACTORY  AND WESTLAKE  AUDIO · MIXED @ LARRABEE EAST<br>
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* The front cover of the demo ''[[Big Black Bus]]'' features the band's first use of the term "Holy Wood", where the words "<small>HOLYWOOD PROD.</small>" can be seen on the side of the school bus. The term was later used in a July 28, 1999 post by Manson on [[MarilynManson.com|MarilynManson.net]]'s message board, which opened with the line "Hello from the depths of Holy Wood..."<ref>''TOMORROW...AT LAST WE MEET AGAIN''. [[MarilynManson.com|MarilynManson.net]]. [[Marilyn Manson]]. July 28, 1999.</ref>
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Latest revision as of 16:24, 30 January 2024

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START.EXE[edit]

Can someone tell me how to run this "START" program or whatever it's called? I have the album (Holy Wood (In The Shadow Of The Valley Of Death) ), and when I put the disc into my computer, all I get is a black screen with the picture of a cross made out of guns, and when I click on it, all it does is take me to the Interscope website. Little help? =o --Raven was here-- 03:29, 2 March 2010 (UTC)

it stopped being active years ago. NickSixx

The start program thing or the website? Because when I click the gun cross, it takes me to the Interscope website. =/ --Raven was here-- 03:59, 2 March 2010 (UTC)

This article NEEDS a serious overhaul[edit]

This article is MOSTLY well written, the introduction specifically is commendable writing. However, the meat of the article (no pun intended), the "Concept" section is fucking atrocious. It just rambles in a schizophrenic and not very cohesive or coherent manner (the randomly placed snippet on Coma Black being Coma White's opposite number on this album the biggest offender).

I should know, I helped write it and revise it many many times over the years from the Wikipedia page where all the stuff here was originally copied. And the current version in Wikipedia isn't finished as well either.

I think the concept section needs to be expanded and the concept itself explained in detail (Kadmon's journey, etc.). Where's mention of the fact that it's divided into song cycles and how that relates to the storyline, the many references to the Beatles' White Album either in the lyrics themselves (ie. You Say you wanted evolution/You say you want a revolution... from Disposable Teens which clearly reference the song Revolution 1) or indirectly alluding to John Lennon himself and how both relate to Manson's criticism of the glorification of violence by mainstream American culture (as opposed to him) which both albums did. I believe Manson once also said that he intended for Holy Wood to be an industrial rock version of The White Album. What about the characters within the story? There's Adam Kadmon, but he's most likely only a collage representing humanity, and Coma Black. But what about President White (is he the one referred to as President Dead?), the King (In the Shadow of the Valley of Death & King Kill 33.. an actual king or a pop culture reference to Elvis?) and who or what is the Born Again (or was that just a symbolic turning point in the revolution uttered by Kadmon).

I also think the portion on Mechanical Animals and Antichrist Superstar shouldn't be here. There's already a dedicated page on the Trilogy (whereas in Wikipedia there isn't) so why shouldn't we just write in something to the effect of "To read more on the Trilogy, go here...etc"?

I'm asking all this from this website because we're all supposed to be Manson fans - by extension fucking authorities on the subject matter and yet arguably Manson's strongest work to date lacks the wiki article (here or in wikipedia) to explain to detractors where they're all so wrong with this guy.

-Red marquis 03:58, 9 August 2010 (UTC)

Hi there again, and thanks for the questions/input. Yes, I agree the Mechanical Animals and Antichrist Superstar portions of this article should be removed and a link to the Triptych page as suggested. The lyrical references that you have mentioned should probably be noted under the Trivia heading. Regarding concept, [god]speed and myself have always had a very strong interest in the interpretation of Manson's work. However, in the interests of MansonWiki, we strive to keep information factual. I'm sure you can understand that due to the complexity of the Triptych there are multiple perspectives and there are many different interpretations. So unless you can find direct quotes from Manson, with references, we would like to steer clear of the ambiguous. ‡-me-‡ 08:31, 9 August 2010 (UTC)
Here's a link I've found. Don't know how much it'll help but I feel with the 10th anniversary of this album coming up very soon, the article needs some major cleaning up.
Linky: Into the Mind of Marilyn - Red marquis 13:56, 9 August 2010 (UTC)
Consider the changes I've made today on this page, the Triptych and the Antichrist Superstar page the first salvo, nay, the first goosestep on the road to rehabilitation. -Red marquis 07:41, 10 August 2010 (UTC)

As of September 5, 2010, I think I have perfected this article. -Red marquis 17:30, 4 September 2010 (UTC)

Spoke too soon. The more I think I've perfected it, the more I find ways to improve it. Red marquis 07:15, 7 September 2010 (UTC)

Changing a paragraph in the Concept section. Need second opinion[edit]

I'll bracket and highlight the portions I've added. Admittedly, I was stoned on something really good last night when I wrote them, listening to Holy Wood. I find this method makes everything so much more meaningful and intense (as unconventional a method as it is). I was literally punching the wall with my fist during "Burning Flag", trying to get them to open.

By the way, I saw on Babalon that someone quoted what I wrote on Wikipedia to interpret "The Love Song": "metaphors the father as the arm, the mother as the gun, and the children as the bullet". Just thought it was funny (so much more meaningful, see?). Anyway, for your consideration:

The backdrop of Holy Wood's storyline revolves around the two duelling regions of "Holy Wood" and "Death Valley". Its protagonist is "Adam Kadmon", an abstract character borrowed from the Kabbalah where he is described as the archetype for humanity and the first Adam from which every soul is descended. He is an anti-hero and a "rebel from the waist down" from Death Valley [who is "having an intense love relationship with a .9mm high-powered rifle".] He is threading his way through Holy Wood, [a surreal but thinly veiled take on America where religion and violence mean exactly the same, JFK is the TV-martyred modern day Christ, dead celebrities are saints and Jackie O is Mary Immaculate.] His revulsion at what he finds causes him to trigger a revolution through music to rail against "the old deceivers" - the "bitter thinkers who buy their tickets to go find god like a piggy in a fair". But it all soon goes wrong when his revolution is exploited by society. It is notable that the tragic and ill-fated character Coma White (from Mechanical Animals), which Adam has a quasi-romantic interest for, is referred to on this album as "Coma Black". At the record's conclusion, a defeated and disillusioned Kadmon is on the verge of suicide and can be heard playing Russian roulette with a revolver. His fate is deliberately left unknown after the fifth cock of the pistol.

-Red marquis 09:42, 11 September 2010 (UTC)



Honestly,  I think most of your analysis is more relevant in the Interpretations section of Babalon, where it is more appropriate as opposed to the Manson Wiki considering we strive to be a factual database for reference. Both <me> & myself ([g]S) have always been interested in analysis of Manson's work, and have done a massive amount of research into all things esoteric, influential, and related to Manson's body of work for years.  As mentioned, either of us, <me> or myself could very easily write up analytical summaries of the storyline, however, I think that passing a singular version of the storyline off as point of reference for others to base their interpretations upon kind of goes against the idea of analysis, As you have to consider that most people will believe whatever is written, and will look no further than what they read.  Like Manson says in Doppelherz, "Each time someone believes what I say, It becomes a lie."  


What I disagree with int your analysis is that you make it seem that there are different characters involved, Whereas I might be more inclined to believe that they are merely extensions of the same character. Also, you can't necessarily state that Death Valley & Holy Wood are separate places based on the Fight Song video, Who's to say that the video is not merely referencing the duality of "good vs bad" as mentioned in the chorus and throughout Manson's work? 


I would be more inclined to think that one man's Holy Wood is another man's Death Valley. Much like Kurosawa'sHigh & Low, ( a film which Manson referenced with the font of The High End of Low)  The story focuses around the duality of two characters and how they are essentially based off of one another, Gondo's home that is perched high above the city below him is his oasis, while down in the busy streets, Takeuchi is forced to look up at Gondo's home on the hill and every day and face his own private hell, which was Gondo's heaven.  

While my interpretation may be completely wrong, it does open up room for discussion and may cause you to re-evaluate your views, which doesn't mean my version is any more correct than yours, but what I'm trying to illustrate is that you simply cannot tie down the concept of the triptych into a linear, or typical fashion. There are many key elements that are open to interpretation,  such as the importance of Valentine's Day 1997 and the reason why it is played out throughout each album in the triptych, amongst other things, It's more of a subject for discussion than it is for summarizing. 



[god]speed -MansonWiki Admin 11:41, 11 September 2010 (UTC)


There are two bodies in the concept section. One dealing with the state of then-current events in 1999-2000 which gave birth to this album and the other half dealing with the storyline itself, it's placement within the trilogy and Manson's interpretation of it. The first half, I believe, is pretty objective on my part, being heavily referenced from Manson's interviews or contemporary reviews of the album. I believe the sticky issue deals with the second half, especially the last paragraph.
I will concede that it is pretty poorly written, however, what will we put in its place? We can't completely omit it as that would imply to some readers there is none. A lot people will also believe whatever is not written. I think at the very least, we need to come to a consensus on a basic, hopefully unbiased, framework in which to give people a point of reference with regards to the storyline. The laissez-faire approach isn't really helping either.
I propose the reedited paragraph below as a quick bandaid until such time that a consensus can be made. Also use it as a template for the finalized paragraph:
Holy Wood's storyline revolves around its protagonist "Adam Kadmon", an abstract character borrowed from the Kabbalah where he is described as the archetype for humanity and the first Adam from which every soul is descended[1]. His revulsion at the world he observes catalyzes him to start a revolution but it all soon goes wrong when his revolution is exploited by society and falls victim to "Celebritarianism", Holy Wood's quasi-religion of celebrity-worship with a special emphasis on 'dead stars', called "Lambs of God"[2][3]. Adam's romantic interest, the ill-fated daughter of President White, Coma White, is notably referred to on this album as "Coma Black"[4]. At the record's conclusion, Coma Black is playing Russian roulette and on the verge of taking her own life. Her fate is deliberately left unknown after the fifth cock of the firing hammer[5].
-Red marquis 12:28, 11 September 2010 (UTC)
>Proposing a change to the last paragraph (bold and bracketed):
Holy Wood's storyline revolves around its protagonist "Adam Kadmon", an abstract character borrowed from the Kabbalah where he is described as the archetype for humanity and the first Adam from which every soul is descended[6]. His revulsion at the world he observes catalyzes him to start a revolution but it all soon goes wrong when his revolution is exploited by society and falls victim to "Celebritarianism", Holy Wood's quasi-religion of celebrity-worship with a special emphasis on 'dead stars', called "Lambs of God"[7][8]. Adam's romantic interest, the ill-fated daughter of President White, Coma White, is notably referred to on this album as "Coma Black"[9]. [She is taken away from Adam by Holy Wood to be turned into another Lamb of God (TV martyr). They would remember her martyrdom as "Valentine's Day". As Adam witnesses this, his disillusionment takes a dark turn and he takes one last stand as a haranguing demagogue, berating the people if "[they still] love [their] Guns, God and Government?". He then seeks out to "kill the king".] At the record's conclusion, Coma Black is playing Russian roulette and on the verge of taking her own life. Her fate is deliberately left unknown after the fifth cock of the firing hammer[10].
-Red marquis 09:58, 14 September 2010 (UTC)
We are going to have to discuss this with the rest of the administration team. Your interpretations, on top of the full plate of work that we already have to do in regards to interviews and the site is just too much at the moment, So until the administrators can come to some sort of agreement on our position for analysis on the site, we are going to protect the pages. [god]speed -MansonWiki Admin 11:18, 14 September 2010 (UTC)

Sorry Red but I have to agree with [God]speed on this, there are just too many edits to keep going over and over..You're also starting to head into a lot of grey areas that are really open to too much interpretation. You're implying that Coma White/Black, were real, where as there are opinions that she was just an unattainable ideal, or yet again a multiple/alternate delusional personality of ADAM. I can assure you that we're very grateful for your work here, perhaps if you would like to make a thread on our forum to discuss and analyse these topics we can then go over concepts et cetera and hash things out there rather than going over edits. :) ‡-me-‡ - MansonWiki Admin 11:31, 14 September 2010 (UTC)
I understand. I'll be very curious to hear very soon. -Red marquis 11:34, 14 September 2010 (UTC)Here is the forum topic where you can discuss ideas for the articles http://www.mansonwiki.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=1137 —Preceding unsigned comment added by Godspeed (talk • contribs)

Holy Wood 10th Anniversary[edit]

I'm celebrating the tenth anniversary of Holy Wood in my own way - by writing a proper wiki article for the record. Speaking of which, I've made great strides in that regard on Wikipedia. So how about importing it here? I know it's an old argument so, to assuage any reservations you admins might have, how about one of you check it out. It will only take 5 minutes to shoot through it.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holy_Wood_(In_the_Shadow_of_the_Valley_of_Death)

I am properly proud of it. -Red marquis 21:19, 11 November 2010 (UTC)

Dead end[edit]

Is the page not showing up for anyone else? yawaraey (talk) 01:09, 22 November 2010 (UTC)


Yes, there is a major glitch in editing. Which is why I originally protected this page and a few others. The only way to 'fix' the glitch in the article is to not add content :/ Litso & Scarshock are looking into it. [god]speed -MansonWiki Admin 01:43, 22 November 2010 (UTC)

Why the page was removed? We've lost over 25.000 of views. Also this page currently isn't showing for me. --M1shael 13:20, 27 November 2010 (UTC)


For the past two weeks there has been a major glitch where any edits to this page result in the content blanking. I've mentioned it to Litso/Scarshock and haven't heard anything back. Page views don't mean anything if you can't contribute to an article, and RedMarquis has been wanted to add content to this article but once anyone edits it, it blanks the page but the content is still there when you edit. I don't know what the deal is with it. [god]speed -MansonWiki Admin 14:39, 27 November 2010 (UTC)

No more edits to this page until the bug is fixed. It's better to have an article that can be read than an article that no one can see. :/ ‡-me-‡ - MansonWiki Admin 14:43, 27 November 2010 (UTC)
  • Well lets see if a few edits to citeweb and template cite book fixes the error, K? [god]speed -MansonWiki Admin 14:44, 27 November 2010 (UTC)

can someone add the alt tracklisting to the page?[edit]

i was perusing Discogs.com and found this was posted last year idk how to edit or add tracklistings, source links, etc

Done. Thanks. scarshock (talk) 13:51, 15 June 2022 (UTC)

References[edit]

  1. ↑ Quelland, Sarah (2000-12-14). "Into the Mind of Marilyn". Metroactive Music. http://www.metroactive.com/papers/metro/12.14.00/cover/manson-0050.html. Retrieved 2010-08-10. 
  2. ↑ Long, April (2000-11-10). "Holy Wood (In the Shadow of the Valley of Death) album review". NME Magazine. http://www.nme.com/reviews/marilyn-manson/3456. Retrieved 2010-08-26. 
  3. ↑ Robinson, Charlotte (2000-12-14). "Holy Wood (In the Shadow of the Valley of Death) album review". PopMatters. http://www.popmatters.com/music/reviews/m/mansonmarilyn-holywood.shtml. Retrieved 2010-08-22. 
  4. ↑ Quelland, Sarah (2000-12-14). "Into the Mind of Marilyn". Metroactive Music. http://www.metroactive.com/papers/metro/12.14.00/cover/manson-0050.html. Retrieved 2010-08-10. 
  5. ↑ Quelland, Sarah (2000-12-14). "Into the Mind of Marilyn". Metroactive Music. http://www.metroactive.com/papers/metro/12.14.00/cover/manson-0050.html. Retrieved 2010-08-10. 
  6. ↑ Quelland, Sarah (2000-12-14). "Into the Mind of Marilyn". Metroactive Music. http://www.metroactive.com/papers/metro/12.14.00/cover/manson-0050.html. Retrieved 2010-08-10. 
  7. ↑ Long, April (2000-11-10). "Holy Wood (In the Shadow of the Valley of Death) album review". NME Magazine. http://www.nme.com/reviews/marilyn-manson/3456. Retrieved 2010-08-26. 
  8. ↑ Robinson, Charlotte (2000-12-14). "Holy Wood (In the Shadow of the Valley of Death) album review". PopMatters. http://www.popmatters.com/music/reviews/m/mansonmarilyn-holywood.shtml. Retrieved 2010-08-22. 
  9. ↑ Quelland, Sarah (2000-12-14). "Into the Mind of Marilyn". Metroactive Music. http://www.metroactive.com/papers/metro/12.14.00/cover/manson-0050.html. Retrieved 2010-08-10. 
  10. ↑ Quelland, Sarah (2000-12-14). "Into the Mind of Marilyn". Metroactive Music. http://www.metroactive.com/papers/metro/12.14.00/cover/manson-0050.html. Retrieved 2010-08-10. 
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