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Can someone tell me how to run this "START" program or whatever it's called? I have the album (Holy Wood (In The Shadow Of The Valley Of Death) ), and when I put the disc into my computer, all I get is a black screen with the picture of a cross made out of guns, and when I click on it, all it does is take me to the Interscope website. Little help? =o [[User:Raven the Ravenous|--Raven was here--]] 03:29, 2 March 2010 (UTC) | Can someone tell me how to run this "START" program or whatever it's called? I have the album (Holy Wood (In The Shadow Of The Valley Of Death) ), and when I put the disc into my computer, all I get is a black screen with the picture of a cross made out of guns, and when I click on it, all it does is take me to the Interscope website. Little help? =o [[User:Raven the Ravenous|--Raven was here--]] 03:29, 2 March 2010 (UTC) | ||
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I should know, I helped write it and revise it many many times over the years from the Wikipedia page where all the stuff here was originally copied. And the current version in Wikipedia isn't finished as well either. | I should know, I helped write it and revise it many many times over the years from the Wikipedia page where all the stuff here was originally copied. And the current version in Wikipedia isn't finished as well either. | ||
− | I think the concept section needs to be expanded and the concept itself explained in detail (Kadmon's journey, etc.). Where's mention of the fact that it's divided into song cycles and how that relates to the storyline, the many references to the Beatles' White Album either in the lyrics themselves (ie. You Say you wanted evolution/You say you want a revolution... from Disposable Teens which clearly reference the song Revolution 1) or | + | I think the concept section needs to be expanded and the concept itself explained in detail (Kadmon's journey, etc.). Where's mention of the fact that it's divided into song cycles and how that relates to the storyline, the many references to the Beatles's White Album either in the lyrics themselves (ie. You Say you wanted evolution/You say you want a revolution... from Disposable Teens which clearly reference the song Revolution 1) or in directly alluding to John Lennon himself and how both relates to Manson's criticism of the glorification of violence by mainstream American culture (as opposed to him) which both albums did. I believe Manson once also said that he intended for Holy Wood to be an industrial rock version of The White Album. What about the characters within the story? There's Adam Kadmon, but he's most likely only a collage representing humanity, and Coma Black. But what about President White (is he the one referred to as President Dead?), the King (In the Shadow of the Valley of Death & King Kill 33.. an actual king or a pop culture reference to Elvis?) and who or what is the Born Again (or was that just a symbolic turning point in the revolution uttered by Kadmon). |
I also think the portion on Mechanical Animals and Antichrist Superstar shouldn't be here. There's already a dedicated page on the Trilogy (whereas in Wikipedia there isn't) so why shouldn't we just write in something to the effect of "To read more on the Trilogy, go here...etc"? | I also think the portion on Mechanical Animals and Antichrist Superstar shouldn't be here. There's already a dedicated page on the Trilogy (whereas in Wikipedia there isn't) so why shouldn't we just write in something to the effect of "To read more on the Trilogy, go here...etc"? | ||
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:::''Holy Wood's'' storyline revolves around its protagonist "[[Adam Kadmon]]", an abstract character borrowed from the Kabbalah where he is described as the archetype for humanity and the first Adam from which every soul is descended<ref>{{cite web|last=Quelland |first=Sarah |url=http://www.metroactive.com/papers/metro/12.14.00/cover/manson-0050.html |title=Into the Mind of Marilyn |publisher=Metroactive Music |date=2000-12-14 |accessdate=2010-08-10}}</ref>. His revulsion at the world he observes catalyzes him to start a revolution but it all soon goes wrong when his revolution is exploited by society and falls victim to "[[Celebritarian Corporation#The_meaning|Celebritarianism]]", Holy Wood's quasi-religion of celebrity-worship with a special emphasis on 'dead stars', called "[[Lamb of God|Lambs of God]]"<ref>{{cite web|last=Long |first=April |url=http://www.nme.com/reviews/marilyn-manson/3456 |title=Holy Wood (In the Shadow of the Valley of Death) album review |publisher=NME Magazine |date=2000-11-10 |accessdate=2010-08-26}}</ref><ref>{{cite web|last=Robinson |first=Charlotte |url=http://www.popmatters.com/music/reviews/m/mansonmarilyn-holywood.shtml |title=Holy Wood (In the Shadow of the Valley of Death) album review |publisher=PopMatters |date=2000-12-14 |accessdate=2010-08-22}}</ref>. Adam's romantic interest, the ill-fated daughter of President White, [[Coma White]], is notably referred to on this album as "[[Coma Black]]"<ref>{{cite web|last=Quelland |first=Sarah |url=http://www.metroactive.com/papers/metro/12.14.00/cover/manson-0050.html |title=Into the Mind of Marilyn |publisher=Metroactive Music |date=2000-12-14 |accessdate=2010-08-10}}</ref>. '''[She is taken away from Adam by Holy Wood to be turned into another Lamb of God (TV martyr). They would remember her martyrdom as "[[Valentine's Day]]". As Adam witnesses this, his disillusionment takes a dark turn and he takes one last stand as a haranguing demagogue, berating the people if "[they still] love [their] Guns, God and Government?". He then seeks out to "[[King Kill 33°|kill the king]]".]''' At the record's conclusion, Coma Black is playing Russian roulette and on the verge of taking her own life. Her fate is deliberately left unknown after the fifth cock of the firing hammer<ref>{{cite web|last=Quelland |first=Sarah |url=http://www.metroactive.com/papers/metro/12.14.00/cover/manson-0050.html |title=Into the Mind of Marilyn |publisher=Metroactive Music |date=2000-12-14 |accessdate=2010-08-10}}</ref>. | :::''Holy Wood's'' storyline revolves around its protagonist "[[Adam Kadmon]]", an abstract character borrowed from the Kabbalah where he is described as the archetype for humanity and the first Adam from which every soul is descended<ref>{{cite web|last=Quelland |first=Sarah |url=http://www.metroactive.com/papers/metro/12.14.00/cover/manson-0050.html |title=Into the Mind of Marilyn |publisher=Metroactive Music |date=2000-12-14 |accessdate=2010-08-10}}</ref>. His revulsion at the world he observes catalyzes him to start a revolution but it all soon goes wrong when his revolution is exploited by society and falls victim to "[[Celebritarian Corporation#The_meaning|Celebritarianism]]", Holy Wood's quasi-religion of celebrity-worship with a special emphasis on 'dead stars', called "[[Lamb of God|Lambs of God]]"<ref>{{cite web|last=Long |first=April |url=http://www.nme.com/reviews/marilyn-manson/3456 |title=Holy Wood (In the Shadow of the Valley of Death) album review |publisher=NME Magazine |date=2000-11-10 |accessdate=2010-08-26}}</ref><ref>{{cite web|last=Robinson |first=Charlotte |url=http://www.popmatters.com/music/reviews/m/mansonmarilyn-holywood.shtml |title=Holy Wood (In the Shadow of the Valley of Death) album review |publisher=PopMatters |date=2000-12-14 |accessdate=2010-08-22}}</ref>. Adam's romantic interest, the ill-fated daughter of President White, [[Coma White]], is notably referred to on this album as "[[Coma Black]]"<ref>{{cite web|last=Quelland |first=Sarah |url=http://www.metroactive.com/papers/metro/12.14.00/cover/manson-0050.html |title=Into the Mind of Marilyn |publisher=Metroactive Music |date=2000-12-14 |accessdate=2010-08-10}}</ref>. '''[She is taken away from Adam by Holy Wood to be turned into another Lamb of God (TV martyr). They would remember her martyrdom as "[[Valentine's Day]]". As Adam witnesses this, his disillusionment takes a dark turn and he takes one last stand as a haranguing demagogue, berating the people if "[they still] love [their] Guns, God and Government?". He then seeks out to "[[King Kill 33°|kill the king]]".]''' At the record's conclusion, Coma Black is playing Russian roulette and on the verge of taking her own life. Her fate is deliberately left unknown after the fifth cock of the firing hammer<ref>{{cite web|last=Quelland |first=Sarah |url=http://www.metroactive.com/papers/metro/12.14.00/cover/manson-0050.html |title=Into the Mind of Marilyn |publisher=Metroactive Music |date=2000-12-14 |accessdate=2010-08-10}}</ref>. | ||
− | :::-[[User:Red marquis|Red marquis]] 09:58, 14 September 2010 (UTC) | + | :::-[[User:Red marquis|Red marquis]] 09:58, 14 September 2010 (UTC)We are going to have to discuss this with the rest of the administration team. Your interpretations, on top of the full plate of work that we already have to do in regards to interviews and the site is just too much at the moment, So until the administrators can come to some sort of agreement on our position for analysis on the site, we are going to protect the pages. [[User:Godspeed|[god]speed -MansonWiki Admin]] 11:18, 14 September 2010 (UTC)<br><br> |
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