Editing Talk:1990/06/01 Fort Lauderdale, FL

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== Cities mismatches, "first real performance", etc ==
(moved from [http://www.mansonwiki.com/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Sumer_Schmetterling&oldid=82423])

Look at: [[Marilyn_Manson%27s_independent_touring#Tour_dates]] entry for June 1, 1990. It says Fort Lauderdale (uncorfirmed: Boca Raton) & Weekends but when you click on it it goes to [[1990/06/01_Fort_Lauderdale,_FL]] which says Fort Lauderdale at the Squeeze? That need clarification. Also I don't consider the reference viable. My book on page 91 says "Our first real show was the Reunion Room." and he doesn't mention a date. The Reunion Room doesn't have any connection to this date. I don't see anything that says 'first real performance' like we have in quotes on those pages. The table should say Fort Lauderdale & Squeeze for venue. [[User:Sumer Schmetterling|Sumer - Senior Editor]] ([[User talk:Sumer Schmetterling|talk]]) 03:52, 3 April 2014 (CEST)

: there were several places where the cities in the tour dates table and the live performance pages mismatched. the date you mentioned is an example of such a mismatch. before i moved that page, the table said "Boca Raton, FL / Weekends", despite the page itself said "Fort Lauderdale, FL / Squeeze". i've chosen the second one, since the page might be considered a major source rather than a table that probably might be composed with human-factor mistakes (too similar tabular data, etc), and put that info to the table preferring not to delete the original info marking it with the "unconfirmed" mark -- i just have not a reliable source so it makes sense for me keep it both until it's really confirmed. i hope someone can confirm. :) ([[User:Scarshock|scarshock]] ([[User talk:Scarshock|talk]]) 08:40, 3 April 2014 (CEST))

: concerning "the very first live performance": frankly speaking, i have no idea, because that info was in the page for really long time and it's authored by other people. again, i have no any source to accept or deny that info... the "first real performance" phrase might mean the "real" setlist with real songs, because all three previous shows do not have "normal" setlists mentioned (i don't know what was the format of the very first Manson's shows though). i know it's a weak argument, and this was a try to assume why it says it's the first "real" performance. ([[User:Scarshock|scarshock]] ([[User talk:Scarshock|talk]]) 08:40, 3 April 2014 (CEST))

:: Consideration 1:
::Jul 4 1990 	Fort Lauderdale, FL 	US <br />	
::Jun 27 1990 	Hallandale, FL 	US 	Button South <br />
::Jun 14 1990 	Boca Raton , FL 	US 	Sinbads <br />
::Jun 1 1990 	Boca Raton, FL 	US 	Weekends <br />
::Apr 28 1990 	Miami Beach, FL 	US 	Churchill’s Hideaway -[http://www.nachtkabarett.com/MarilynMansonArchives/TourDates The Nacht] hmmm he doesn't mention that May 30 was at Fort Lauderdale, the Squeeze, we have the flyer from spookynet saying so.

:: Our own very first version of this page has the About line 'The performance on June 1, 1990 took place at Weekends in Boca Raton, Florida, USA.' While the image caption says 'The band's '''second''' live performance, at the Squeeze in Fort Lauderdale.' - [[Special:Permalink/17259|Original June 1, 1990 page]]. So the page looks like it started out wrong to begin with and was edited from there. 

::The name of the image is '[[:File:Marilyn-Manson-Second-Performance.png|Marilyn Manson second performance]]' I did an image search on google but came back with no matches. Perhaps, the second performance at that time was considered Weekends in Boca Raton. I say [[User:GrislyGrizzly]] either put the wrong image on that page OR he made the caption wrong and someone, seeing the conflict decided to change the about page to say The Squeeze. 

::21:29, 16 December 2011‎ 75.147.64.61 (Talk | block)‎ . did. What we really need is a source saying to which show that image belongs to. But June 1, 1990 was at Weekends in Boca Raton, as far as the image we may have to remove it from the page since we can't determine which show it really belongs to. If there are more mixmatched pages like this they need to be addressed, too. [[User:Sumer Schmetterling|Sumer - Senior Editor]] ([[User talk:Sumer Schmetterling|talk]]) 19:53, 3 April 2014 (CEST)