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''' Pogo:''' How come every time they do a Bible reenactment they never get to Lot and his daughters? Remember that Lot and his daughters left Sodom and Gomorrah, and they got destroyed, and the wife looked back and turned to salt? What happened was, God had promised to keep the seed of Abraham alive, and Lot was the only one alive, along with his daughters. And so as to perpetuate the seed without Lot being guilty of incest, his daughters secretly got their father drunk and fucked him at night. And these were the only honest, noble, good people in Sodom and Gomorrah. Now that was a party town. I wish I was making this up. This is better then Oedipus. Two daughters conspire with malice and forethought to get their dad wasted and fuck him, so that they can preserve the seed of Abraham, because they are the only decent people left in Sodom and Gomorrah. | ''' Pogo:''' How come every time they do a Bible reenactment they never get to Lot and his daughters? Remember that Lot and his daughters left Sodom and Gomorrah, and they got destroyed, and the wife looked back and turned to salt? What happened was, God had promised to keep the seed of Abraham alive, and Lot was the only one alive, along with his daughters. And so as to perpetuate the seed without Lot being guilty of incest, his daughters secretly got their father drunk and fucked him at night. And these were the only honest, noble, good people in Sodom and Gomorrah. Now that was a party town. I wish I was making this up. This is better then Oedipus. Two daughters conspire with malice and forethought to get their dad wasted and fuck him, so that they can preserve the seed of Abraham, because they are the only decent people left in Sodom and Gomorrah. | ||
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'''DR: '''In ancient mythology, that is a tradition, to have sex with your sister, to have sex with your mother... | '''DR: '''In ancient mythology, that is a tradition, to have sex with your sister, to have sex with your mother... | ||
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'''Pogo:''' That's supposed to be the purest love of all, between a brother and sister. | '''Pogo:''' That's supposed to be the purest love of all, between a brother and sister. | ||
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'''DR:''' It's in all of the ancient mythologies. It's in the Egyptian mythologies, and the ring cycle. In ancient times it's pervasive. You'd be hard pressed to find anything that didn't have it. | '''DR:''' It's in all of the ancient mythologies. It's in the Egyptian mythologies, and the ring cycle. In ancient times it's pervasive. You'd be hard pressed to find anything that didn't have it. | ||
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'''Pogo:''' What I think is weird is how Europeans go around the world imposing their culture on people, when it was a culture that was imposed on them in the first place. We use the Roman alphabet, and all of our pillars of faith and thought come from Athens and Jerusalem. Jesus would be a lot cooler if he didn't rise from the dead. Because he's a real hero then. DR: But death and resurrection is part of every culture's mythology. It goes back to Isis and Osiris. The kind dies, the sun turns black, he goes into the underworld, he rises as a God. | '''Pogo:''' What I think is weird is how Europeans go around the world imposing their culture on people, when it was a culture that was imposed on them in the first place. We use the Roman alphabet, and all of our pillars of faith and thought come from Athens and Jerusalem. Jesus would be a lot cooler if he didn't rise from the dead. Because he's a real hero then. DR: But death and resurrection is part of every culture's mythology. It goes back to Isis and Osiris. The kind dies, the sun turns black, he goes into the underworld, he rises as a God. | ||
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'''Pogo:''' I agree with you, but I think that's something that was imposed. I think the early European stuff was not that way. It was much bleaker, I think. To me, it seemed like something based on effort, not result. What made it great was the fact that evil wins and good looses at Ragnarok. The reason I think that's cool, though, is the realization that evil is inherently more powerful then good because they can cheat to win, and good can never cheat to win. So evil will always beat good because it doesn't have to play by the rules. Good has to play by the rules to be good. So it's an inherent disadvantage always to be good. If you're evil you have more options. I like the idea of going out and meeting defeat. And Jesus was about that. The Christians being fed to the lions, being heroic. That's one of the things that's great about Christianity is all of that martyrdom shit. Snake handlers kick ass. They get it. Christianity has got to be the weakest excuse, in a strange way, because you can do whatever wrong you want, and He's gotta forgive you if you ask Him. DR: That's Catholicism. | '''Pogo:''' I agree with you, but I think that's something that was imposed. I think the early European stuff was not that way. It was much bleaker, I think. To me, it seemed like something based on effort, not result. What made it great was the fact that evil wins and good looses at Ragnarok. The reason I think that's cool, though, is the realization that evil is inherently more powerful then good because they can cheat to win, and good can never cheat to win. So evil will always beat good because it doesn't have to play by the rules. Good has to play by the rules to be good. So it's an inherent disadvantage always to be good. If you're evil you have more options. I like the idea of going out and meeting defeat. And Jesus was about that. The Christians being fed to the lions, being heroic. That's one of the things that's great about Christianity is all of that martyrdom shit. Snake handlers kick ass. They get it. Christianity has got to be the weakest excuse, in a strange way, because you can do whatever wrong you want, and He's gotta forgive you if you ask Him. DR: That's Catholicism. | ||
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| + | '''Pogo''': Aren't Protestants like that too? Yeah they are. That's what all of those Chick booklets are about. If I take the Lord as my savior, and admit that I'm a sinner, and all this bullshit, then they have to let me into heaven, no matter what I've done. DR: It's been years since I've read a Chick booklet. Pogo: But you know what I'm talking about. That contract that's in the back? As God really needs a contract, just like the Devil. He needs it written down. He doesn't settle for word of mouth anymore. How easy is that, though? I don't know of any other religion where you're allowed to screw up that much, and the gods just let it go. It makes it easy to be a much more sinister person, 'cause you always have an out. DR: That's what Tiny Tim was like. He was the darkest, most lustful person on the face of the Earth, and he had that out. He could always ask for forgiveness, or do some "Hail Marys" or something, and it's like, he can have sex with a fifteen-year-old girl and - boom - it's all wiped off the slate. Pogo: I would like a God who was actually like that. That's a very reasonable person. That sounds so opposite of Jehovah. DR: It's almost like you have some contract with God, and there's a loophole. I could never understand the deal between God and the Israelites. Pogo: It's a land-for-penis-skin deal. DR: For me it's that keeps going back and forth between being angry and being nice. And you want to say "Jesus Christ, make your mind up Mister!" Pogo: It's crazy. And who would want a jealous God? This guy's, like, actually envious and stuff, and really has some of the most base proclivities. I don't see that Jehovah guy as being that enlightened. The Old Testament God is a really spooky guy. DR: No, I think he was more enlightened. What I think is that there are a number of gods that are just grouped together, and they're Jehovah, God, Lord, etc. Because in one instance he'd very jealous and angry, and in another he's beneficent. Sometimes he's said to live in the heavens, sometimes he lives inside Mt. Zion. What's that all about? 'Cause everyone agrees that God exists in Heaven. God and Heaven are synonymous. Pogo: But the Catholic church has said that the definition of Heaven is being in the presence of God, and that's where he lives. DR: But then they're all these references to God living inside a mountain. Living inside the Earth would be synonymous with Hell, Lucifer, the demiurge. Pogo: It's so complex. I can never read enough. God's supposed to be everywhere, in Heaven and Earth. In Hell even. His enforcing power is there. 'Cause if his enforcing power is not there, why do black angels torture souls? They should be giving you donuts. "Thank you for raping somebody. Welcome to Hell!" | ||
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Revision as of 14:41, 15 September 2010
| Once A Catholic Always A Catholic (Dagobert's Revenge Vol 5. Issue 1 ) | ||
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| Interview with Madonna Wayne Gacy | ||
| Date | July, 1998 | |
| Source | RX Drone/Pigist Christ | |
Pogo: How come every time they do a Bible reenactment they never get to Lot and his daughters? Remember that Lot and his daughters left Sodom and Gomorrah, and they got destroyed, and the wife looked back and turned to salt? What happened was, God had promised to keep the seed of Abraham alive, and Lot was the only one alive, along with his daughters. And so as to perpetuate the seed without Lot being guilty of incest, his daughters secretly got their father drunk and fucked him at night. And these were the only honest, noble, good people in Sodom and Gomorrah. Now that was a party town. I wish I was making this up. This is better then Oedipus. Two daughters conspire with malice and forethought to get their dad wasted and fuck him, so that they can preserve the seed of Abraham, because they are the only decent people left in Sodom and Gomorrah.
DR: In ancient mythology, that is a tradition, to have sex with your sister, to have sex with your mother...
Pogo: That's supposed to be the purest love of all, between a brother and sister.
DR: It's in all of the ancient mythologies. It's in the Egyptian mythologies, and the ring cycle. In ancient times it's pervasive. You'd be hard pressed to find anything that didn't have it.
Pogo: What I think is weird is how Europeans go around the world imposing their culture on people, when it was a culture that was imposed on them in the first place. We use the Roman alphabet, and all of our pillars of faith and thought come from Athens and Jerusalem. Jesus would be a lot cooler if he didn't rise from the dead. Because he's a real hero then. DR: But death and resurrection is part of every culture's mythology. It goes back to Isis and Osiris. The kind dies, the sun turns black, he goes into the underworld, he rises as a God.
Pogo: I agree with you, but I think that's something that was imposed. I think the early European stuff was not that way. It was much bleaker, I think. To me, it seemed like something based on effort, not result. What made it great was the fact that evil wins and good looses at Ragnarok. The reason I think that's cool, though, is the realization that evil is inherently more powerful then good because they can cheat to win, and good can never cheat to win. So evil will always beat good because it doesn't have to play by the rules. Good has to play by the rules to be good. So it's an inherent disadvantage always to be good. If you're evil you have more options. I like the idea of going out and meeting defeat. And Jesus was about that. The Christians being fed to the lions, being heroic. That's one of the things that's great about Christianity is all of that martyrdom shit. Snake handlers kick ass. They get it. Christianity has got to be the weakest excuse, in a strange way, because you can do whatever wrong you want, and He's gotta forgive you if you ask Him. DR: That's Catholicism.
Pogo: Aren't Protestants like that too? Yeah they are. That's what all of those Chick booklets are about. If I take the Lord as my savior, and admit that I'm a sinner, and all this bullshit, then they have to let me into heaven, no matter what I've done. DR: It's been years since I've read a Chick booklet. Pogo: But you know what I'm talking about. That contract that's in the back? As God really needs a contract, just like the Devil. He needs it written down. He doesn't settle for word of mouth anymore. How easy is that, though? I don't know of any other religion where you're allowed to screw up that much, and the gods just let it go. It makes it easy to be a much more sinister person, 'cause you always have an out. DR: That's what Tiny Tim was like. He was the darkest, most lustful person on the face of the Earth, and he had that out. He could always ask for forgiveness, or do some "Hail Marys" or something, and it's like, he can have sex with a fifteen-year-old girl and - boom - it's all wiped off the slate. Pogo: I would like a God who was actually like that. That's a very reasonable person. That sounds so opposite of Jehovah. DR: It's almost like you have some contract with God, and there's a loophole. I could never understand the deal between God and the Israelites. Pogo: It's a land-for-penis-skin deal. DR: For me it's that keeps going back and forth between being angry and being nice. And you want to say "Jesus Christ, make your mind up Mister!" Pogo: It's crazy. And who would want a jealous God? This guy's, like, actually envious and stuff, and really has some of the most base proclivities. I don't see that Jehovah guy as being that enlightened. The Old Testament God is a really spooky guy. DR: No, I think he was more enlightened. What I think is that there are a number of gods that are just grouped together, and they're Jehovah, God, Lord, etc. Because in one instance he'd very jealous and angry, and in another he's beneficent. Sometimes he's said to live in the heavens, sometimes he lives inside Mt. Zion. What's that all about? 'Cause everyone agrees that God exists in Heaven. God and Heaven are synonymous. Pogo: But the Catholic church has said that the definition of Heaven is being in the presence of God, and that's where he lives. DR: But then they're all these references to God living inside a mountain. Living inside the Earth would be synonymous with Hell, Lucifer, the demiurge. Pogo: It's so complex. I can never read enough. God's supposed to be everywhere, in Heaven and Earth. In Hell even. His enforcing power is there. 'Cause if his enforcing power is not there, why do black angels torture souls? They should be giving you donuts. "Thank you for raping somebody. Welcome to Hell!"
