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'''''Groupie''''' is an independent film shot by [[Marilyn Manson]] shot during the [[Category:Antichrist Superstar Era|''Antichrist Superstar'' era]] of 1996 through 1998. While ''Groupie'' was intended to be release on home video, the project was shelved by Manson at the insistence of manager Tony Ciulla who deemed its content so disturbing it would end Manson career and result in his conviction. It is the earliest known example of Marilyn Manson's foray into film making.
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'''''Groupie''''' is the earliest known example of [[Marilyn Manson]]'s foray into filmmaking. An independent film shot by camcorder one night during the [[Category:Antichrist Superstar Era|''Antichrist Superstar'' era]] of 1996 through 1998, ''Groupie'' was shelved by Manson at the insistence of manager Tony Ciulla, who deemed its content so disturbing it would end [[Marilyn Manson (band)|Manson's music career]] and result in his conviction.
  
 
==Plot==
 
==Plot==
While complete details have yet to be revealed, what is known of the plot is as follows:
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''Groupie'' centers around an actual party held at Marilyn Manson's home. Manson informs his guests that a girl will be attending who they will be videotaping. Before this girl's arrival, Manson is allegedly shown fellating [[Twiggy]]. When the titular guest arrives, she bestows Manson with a piece of art and is invited inside. From here, she is ushered into various acts which include sharing a glass of urine with [[Stephen Bier]], who "poured" the glass himself, and being tied and taunted by Manson, the latter scene taking place towards the end of the film.
  
''Groupie'' centers around an actual party held at Marilyn Manson's home. Manson informs his guests that a girl will be attending who they will be videotaping. Before this girl's arrival, Manson is allegedly shown fellating [[Twiggy]].  
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==Production==
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Details about the ''Groupie'' project are vague, however Manson and [[Andy Dick]] had a relatively tight-lipped discussion about the film [[Interview:Marilyn Manson Dinner For Five|on the television program ''Dinner for Five'']] in 2002. Prior to this Manson had simply alluded to filming a video so shocking it could never be made public, however during this particular interview Manson and Dick shared some insight into the severity of its content.
  
Soon enough the titular guest, who is said to appear very young, arrives and bestows Manson with a piece of art as a gift. Manson then invites her in and convinces her to engage in various degrading acts such as convincing her to drink [[Madonna Wayne Gacy]]'s urine.  
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During one night between 1996 and 1998, Manson held a party at his home. Known attendants include [[List of Marilyn Manson members|Marilyn Manson members]] Twiggy and Stephen Bier, then performing as Madonna Wayne Gacy. Early in the evening, Manson announced that a girl would be arriving and that they would be filming her, in spite of his sentiment that "something's probably gonna go wrong." Upon her arrival, the girl presents Manson with an art gift, after which Manson began to have her take part in increasingly perverse acts, including drinking Bier's urine from a wine glass. While other acts are scarcely detailed, they are known to include a gun, bloodshed and the girl being tied and restrained while crying. This activity is documented on a portable camera, leading Manson to compare its approach to ''The Blair Witch Project'', and has said of the evening that "It gets really scary because not everyone in the room knew if it was a joke or not."
  
The girl continues to be put through increasingly horrible situations as time goes on. At one point a gun is introduced, a fight breaks out and someone (presumably the girl) bleeds. In one scene, the girl is seen sitting in a chair crying and screaming as Manson is heard, off-camera, taunting her. Manson then forces her to recite the phrase "Jesus loves me because the bible tells me so".
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Manson intended to make ''Groupie'' available through home video, however upon reviewing the footage, manager Tony Ciulla advised him to "Please hide the masters. If anyone sees this you'll go to jail and your career will be over." Despite this, a snippet of footage from ''Groupie'' was inserted into the final moments of Marilyn Manson's 1998 video album ''[[Dead to the World]]'', showing an obscured view of the girl sitting in a chair crying and screaming as Manson taunts her offscreen, forcing her to recite the phrase "Jesus loves me because the Bible tells me so".
  
The film ends with the girl tied up and crying.
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The exact circumstancs of the film are unclear. Manson notes his party guests were made uncomfortable by the activity, as they were uncertain if it had genuinely escalated in perversion or if had been planned in advance. During Manson and Dick's discussion about ''Groupie'', Manson seems to assert that while his party was authentic, the girl he invited "was portraying a youngster," implying that some degree of acting was involved and that she wasn't being entirely manipulated.
 
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==Production==
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Details about the ''Groupie'' project are vague, however Manson and [[Andy Dick]] discussed the film [[Interview:Marilyn Manson Dinner For Five|on the television program ''Dinner for Five'']] in 2002. Prior to this Manson had simply alluded to filming a video so shocking it could never be made public, however during this particular interview Manson and Dick shared some insight into the severity of its content.
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''Groupie'' was filmed one night between 1996 and 1998, at an actual party held by Manson at his home. Known attendants include [[List of Marilyn Manson members|Marilyn Manson members]] Twiggy and Madonna Wayne Gacy. The night's events were filmed with a portable camera leading Manson to compare its approach to ''The Blair Witch Project''. Early in the evening, Manson announced that a girl would be arriving and that they would be filming her and foreshadowed that "something's probably gonna go wrong."  Many guests were apparently unsure if the events happening before them were real or all part of an act. During Manson and Dick's discussion about ''Groupie'', Manson seems to assert that while his party was authentic, the girl he invited "was portraying a youngster," implying that some degree of acting was involved in the night's events.
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Manson intended to make ''Groupie'' available through home video however, upon reviewing the footage, manager Tony Ciulla advised him to "hide the masters" and warned that "if anyone sees this you'll go to jail and your career will be over." Despite this, a snippet of footage from ''Groupie'' was inserted into the final moments of Marilyn Manson's 1998 video album ''[[Dead to the World]]''.
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==Reception==
 
==Reception==
 
Only three people are confirmed to have viewed ''Groupie'', Marilyn Manson, Tony Ciulla and Andy Dick. Ciulla's stance on the film is unknown, however he allegedly urged Manson to keep anyone from watching it out of fear that it would be used to convict him. Dick has said of the footage that the participants were having fun despite the subject matter, but he did not deny being disturbed.
 
Only three people are confirmed to have viewed ''Groupie'', Marilyn Manson, Tony Ciulla and Andy Dick. Ciulla's stance on the film is unknown, however he allegedly urged Manson to keep anyone from watching it out of fear that it would be used to convict him. Dick has said of the footage that the participants were having fun despite the subject matter, but he did not deny being disturbed.
  
==Quotes from ''Dinner for Five''==
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==''Dinner for Five'' discussion==
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  Manson: I made this movie that I had intentions to put on my home video not thinking that it   
 
  Manson: I made this movie that I had intentions to put on my home video not thinking that it   
         would offend...it was at a [real] party at my house...I said "A girl is gonna show up and  
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         would offend. It was at a [real] party at my house. I said "A girl is gonna show up and  
         somethings probably gonna go wrong, so just roll with it"
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         something's probably gonna go wrong, so just roll with it."
  Dick:  ...[Manson] sucked Twiggy's cock...but he put a rubber on it.
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  Dick:  [Manson] sucked Twiggy's cock, but he put a rubber on it.
  Manson: It was flaccid...
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  Manson: It was flaccid.
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  Dick:  So they're having fun, sucking each other's cocks and ding dong, who's at the door? It's  
  Dick:  So they're having fun, sucking each other's cocks and *ding-dong*, who's at the door? It's  
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         a fan. She says "I just knew that you lived here, and I made this piece of art for you.   
         a fan. She says "I just know that you lived here, and I made this piece of art for you.   
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         Will you take it?" and [Manson is] like "Sure, why don't you come in?" She must have been
         Will you take it?" and [Manson is] like "Sure, why don't you come in?"...She must have
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         18, literally.
         been 18, literally.
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  Manson: Less. More. Well, she was portraying a youngster. You're making this seem like a  
  Manson: Less...more...well, she was portraying a youngster. You're making this seem like a  
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         pornographic film.
 
         pornographic film.
  Dick:  No it wasn't. People were having fun...It was a party...it honestly looked like someone   
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  Dick:  No, it wasn't. People were having fun, it was a party. It honestly looked like someone   
         left the camera on cuz at times it looked like you just set it there.
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         left the camera on 'cause at times it looked like you just set it there.
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  Dick:  This girl shows up and he lures her in and she's excited to be there. She's like "I'm   
  Dick:  This girl shows up and he lures her in and she's excited to be there, she's like "I'm   
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         such a big fan, I'm really excited, then slowly, over time, he starts to get her to do  
         such a big fan, I'm really excited, then slowly...over time...he starts to get her to do  
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         certain things and those are the things that maybe we shouldn't discuss.
         certain things and those are the things that maybe we shouldn't discuss...
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  Manson: It gets really scary because not everyone in the room knew if it was a joke or not.
  Manson: It gets really scary because not everyone in the room knew...if it was a joke or not.
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  Dick:  He tries to get her to drink Pogo's urine. He pees in the wine glass and she's like "You
  Dick:  He tries to get her to drink Pogo's urine. He pees in the wine glass and she's like "you
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         do it," and he drinks it, and then she finally does.  
         do it" and he drinks it and then she finally does.  
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  Manson: Then I introduce a gun into the situation and it becomes really scary.
  Manson: Then I introduce a gun into the situation and it becomes really scary...
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  Dick:  I was disturbed. People started bleeding at some point and not good things are happening.
  Dick:  I was disturbed...people started bleeding at some point and not good things are happening.
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  Manson: A fight breaks out.
  Manson: A fight breaks out  
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  Dick:  That girl is tied up at the end and crying.
 
  Dick:  That girl is tied up at the end and crying.
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  Manson: When I showed it to my manager he said "Please hide the masters. If anyone sees this  
 
  Manson: When I showed it to my manager he said "Please hide the masters. If anyone sees this  
         you'll go to jail and your career will be over". It was called ''Groupie''.
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         you'll go to jail and your career will be over. It was called ''Groupie''.
 
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[[Category: Unreleased works]]
 
[[Category: Unreleased works]]

Revision as of 20:03, 18 September 2010

Groupie
Groupie cover
Video by Marilyn Manson
Recorded Unconfirmed night between 1996 an 1998
Genre Psychological thriller
Director Marilyn Manson

Groupie is the earliest known example of Marilyn Manson's foray into filmmaking. An independent film shot by camcorder one night during the of 1996 through 1998, Groupie was shelved by Manson at the insistence of manager Tony Ciulla, who deemed its content so disturbing it would end Manson's music career and result in his conviction.

Plot

Groupie centers around an actual party held at Marilyn Manson's home. Manson informs his guests that a girl will be attending who they will be videotaping. Before this girl's arrival, Manson is allegedly shown fellating Twiggy. When the titular guest arrives, she bestows Manson with a piece of art and is invited inside. From here, she is ushered into various acts which include sharing a glass of urine with Stephen Bier, who "poured" the glass himself, and being tied and taunted by Manson, the latter scene taking place towards the end of the film.

Production

Details about the Groupie project are vague, however Manson and Andy Dick had a relatively tight-lipped discussion about the film on the television program Dinner for Five in 2002. Prior to this Manson had simply alluded to filming a video so shocking it could never be made public, however during this particular interview Manson and Dick shared some insight into the severity of its content.

During one night between 1996 and 1998, Manson held a party at his home. Known attendants include Marilyn Manson members Twiggy and Stephen Bier, then performing as Madonna Wayne Gacy. Early in the evening, Manson announced that a girl would be arriving and that they would be filming her, in spite of his sentiment that "something's probably gonna go wrong." Upon her arrival, the girl presents Manson with an art gift, after which Manson began to have her take part in increasingly perverse acts, including drinking Bier's urine from a wine glass. While other acts are scarcely detailed, they are known to include a gun, bloodshed and the girl being tied and restrained while crying. This activity is documented on a portable camera, leading Manson to compare its approach to The Blair Witch Project, and has said of the evening that "It gets really scary because not everyone in the room knew if it was a joke or not."

Manson intended to make Groupie available through home video, however upon reviewing the footage, manager Tony Ciulla advised him to "Please hide the masters. If anyone sees this you'll go to jail and your career will be over." Despite this, a snippet of footage from Groupie was inserted into the final moments of Marilyn Manson's 1998 video album Dead to the World, showing an obscured view of the girl sitting in a chair crying and screaming as Manson taunts her offscreen, forcing her to recite the phrase "Jesus loves me because the Bible tells me so".

The exact circumstancs of the film are unclear. Manson notes his party guests were made uncomfortable by the activity, as they were uncertain if it had genuinely escalated in perversion or if had been planned in advance. During Manson and Dick's discussion about Groupie, Manson seems to assert that while his party was authentic, the girl he invited "was portraying a youngster," implying that some degree of acting was involved and that she wasn't being entirely manipulated.

Reception

Only three people are confirmed to have viewed Groupie, Marilyn Manson, Tony Ciulla and Andy Dick. Ciulla's stance on the film is unknown, however he allegedly urged Manson to keep anyone from watching it out of fear that it would be used to convict him. Dick has said of the footage that the participants were having fun despite the subject matter, but he did not deny being disturbed.

Dinner for Five discussion

Manson: I made this movie that I had intentions to put on my home video not thinking that it  
        would offend. It was at a [real] party at my house. I said "A girl is gonna show up and 
        something's probably gonna go wrong, so just roll with it."
Dick:   [Manson] sucked Twiggy's cock, but he put a rubber on it.
Manson: It was flaccid.
Dick:   So they're having fun, sucking each other's cocks and ding dong, who's at the door? It's 
        a fan. She says "I just knew that you lived here, and I made this piece of art for you.  
        Will you take it?" and [Manson is] like "Sure, why don't you come in?" She must have been 
        18, literally.
Manson: Less. More. Well, she was portraying a youngster. You're making this seem like a 
        pornographic film.
Dick:   No, it wasn't. People were having fun, it was a party. It honestly looked like someone  
        left the camera on 'cause at times it looked like you just set it there.
Dick:   This girl shows up and he lures her in and she's excited to be there. She's like "I'm  
        such a big fan, I'm really excited, then slowly, over time, he starts to get her to do 
        certain things and those are the things that maybe we shouldn't discuss.
Manson: It gets really scary because not everyone in the room knew if it was a joke or not.
Dick:   He tries to get her to drink Pogo's urine. He pees in the wine glass and she's like "You 
        do it," and he drinks it, and then she finally does. 
Manson: Then I introduce a gun into the situation and it becomes really scary.
Dick:   I was disturbed. People started bleeding at some point and not good things are happening.
Manson: A fight breaks out.
Dick:   That girl is tied up at the end and crying.
Manson: When I showed it to my manager he said "Please hide the masters. If anyone sees this 
        you'll go to jail and your career will be over. It was called Groupie.