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| Artist = [[Marilyn Manson]] | | Artist = [[Marilyn Manson]] | ||
| Cover = Groupie screenshot.jpg | | Cover = Groupie screenshot.jpg | ||
| − | | Released = | + | | Released = |
| − | | Recorded = | + | | Recorded = Unconfirmed night between 1996 and 1998 |
| − | | Genre = | + | | Genre = Psychological thriller |
| − | | Length = | + | | Length = |
| − | | Director = [[ | + | | Director = Marilyn Manson, [[Joseph Cultice]] |
| + | | IMDb = https://www.imdb.com/title/tt10608532/ | ||
| Last album = | | Last album = | ||
| This album = | | This album = | ||
| Next album = | | Next album = | ||
| − | }}'''Groupie''' is | + | }} |
| + | '''''Groupie''''' is the earliest known example of [[Marilyn Manson]]'s foray into filmmaking. An independent film shot by camcorder one night during the [[:Category:Antichrist Superstar era|''Antichrist Superstar'' era]] of 1996 through 1998, ''Groupie'' was shelved by Manson at the insistence of manager [[Tony Ciulla]], who deemed its content so disturbing it would end [[Marilyn Manson (band)|Manson's music career]] and result in his conviction. While it has gone unreleased, it was included in a shorthand list of Manson's directorial efforts, in a press kit promoting the film ''[[Phantasmagoria: The Visions of Lewis Carroll]]''.<ref>[http://www.wildbunch.biz/images/2d8ea3d0-3c81-4886-9d11-8649a37cc1b0.pdf ''Phantasmagoria: The Visions of Lewis Carroll'' press kit]. Wild Bunch. February 12, 2006.</ref> | ||
| − | + | == Plot == | |
| + | ''Groupie'' centers around an actual party held at Marilyn Manson's home. Manson informs his guests that a [[Pola Weiss|girl]] will be attending who they will be videotaping. Before this girl's arrival, Manson is allegedly shown fellating [[Twiggy]]. When the titular guest arrives, she bestows Manson with a piece of art and is invited inside. From here, she is ushered into various acts which include sharing a glass of urine with [[Stephen Bier]], who "poured" the glass himself, and being tied and taunted by Manson, the latter scene taking place towards the end of the film. | ||
| − | + | == Production == | |
| + | Details about the ''Groupie'' project are vague, however Manson and [[Andy Dick]] had a relatively tight-lipped discussion about the film [[Video Interview:Marilyn Manson Dinner for Five|on the television program ''Dinner for Five'']] in 2002. Prior to this Manson had simply alluded to filming a video so shocking it could never be made public, however during this particular interview Manson and Dick shared some insight into the severity of its content. | ||
| − | + | During one night between 1996 and 1998, Manson held a party at his home. Known attendants include [[List of Marilyn Manson members|Marilyn Manson members]] Twiggy and Stephen Bier, then performing as Madonna Wayne Gacy. Early in the evening, Manson announced that a girl would be arriving and that they would be filming her, in spite of his sentiment that "something's probably gonna go wrong." Upon her arrival, the girl presents Manson with an art gift, after which Manson began to have her take part in increasingly perverse acts, including drinking Bier's urine from a wine glass. While other acts are scarcely detailed, they are known to include a gun, bloodshed and the girl being tied and restrained while crying. This activity is documented on a portable camera, leading Manson to compare its approach to ''The Blair Witch Project'', and has said of the evening that "It gets really scary because not everyone in the room knew if it was a joke or not." | |
| − | + | Manson intended to make ''Groupie'' available through home video, however upon reviewing the footage, manager [[Tony Ciulla]] advised him to "Please hide the masters. If anyone sees this you'll go to jail and your career will be over." Despite this, a snippet of footage from ''Groupie'' was inserted into the final moments of Marilyn Manson's 1998 video album ''[[Dead to the World]]'', showing an obscured view of the girl sitting in a chair crying and screaming as Manson taunts her offscreen, forcing her to recite the phrase "Jesus loves me because the Bible tells me so". | |
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| − | Manson | + | The exact circumstances of the film are unclear. Manson notes his party guests were made uncomfortable by the activity, as they were uncertain if it had genuinely escalated in perversion or if had been planned in advance. During Manson and Dick's discussion about ''Groupie'', Manson seems to assert that while his party was authentic, the girl he invited "was portraying a youngster," implying that some degree of acting was involved and that she wasn't being entirely manipulated. |
| − | + | == Reception == | |
| − | + | Only three people are confirmed to have viewed ''Groupie'', Marilyn Manson, Tony Ciulla and Andy Dick. Ciulla's stance on the film is unknown, however he allegedly urged Manson to keep anyone from watching it out of fear that it would be used to convict him. Dick has said of the footage that the participants were having fun despite the subject matter, but he did not deny being disturbed. | |
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| + | == ''Dinner for Five'' discussion == | ||
Manson: I made this movie that I had intentions to put on my home video not thinking that it | Manson: I made this movie that I had intentions to put on my home video not thinking that it | ||
| − | would offend. | + | would offend. It was at a [real] party at my house. I said "A girl is gonna show up and |
| − | + | something's probably gonna go wrong, so just roll with it." | |
| − | Dick: | + | Dick: [Manson] sucked Twiggy's cock, but he put a rubber on it. |
| − | Manson: It was flaccid. | + | Manson: It was flaccid. |
| − | + | Dick: So they're having fun, sucking each other's cocks and ding dong, who's at the door? It's | |
| − | Dick: So they're having fun, sucking each other's cocks and | + | a fan. She says "I just knew that you lived here, and I made this piece of art for you. |
| − | a fan. She says "I just | + | Will you take it?" and [Manson is] like "Sure, why don't you come in?" She must have been |
| − | Will you take it?" and [Manson is] like "Sure, why don't you come in?" | + | 18, literally. |
| − | + | Manson: Less. More. Well, she was portraying a youngster. You're making this seem like a | |
| − | Manson: Less.. | + | |
pornographic film. | pornographic film. | ||
| − | Dick: No it wasn't. People were having fun | + | Dick: No, it wasn't. People were having fun, it was a party. It honestly looked like someone |
| − | left the camera on | + | left the camera on 'cause at times it looked like you just set it there. |
| − | + | Dick: This girl shows up and he lures her in and she's excited to be there. She's like "I'm | |
| − | Dick: This girl | + | such a big fan, I'm really excited, then slowly, over time, he starts to get her to do |
| − | such a big fan, I'm really excited, then slowly | + | certain things and those are the things that maybe we shouldn't discuss. |
| − | certain things and those are the things that maybe we shouldn't discuss | + | Manson: It gets really scary because not everyone in the room knew if it was a joke or not. |
| − | Manson: It gets really scary because not everyone in the room knew | + | Dick: He tries to get her to drink Pogo's urine. He pees in the wine glass and she's like "You |
| − | Dick: He tries to get her to drink Pogo's urine. He pees in the wine glass and she's like " | + | do it," and he drinks it, and then she finally does. |
| − | do it" and he drinks it and then she finally does. | + | Manson: Then I introduce a gun into the situation and it becomes really scary. |
| − | Manson: Then I introduce a gun into the situation and it becomes really scary | + | Dick: I was disturbed. People started bleeding at some point and not good things are happening. |
| − | Dick: I was disturbed. | + | Manson: A fight breaks out. |
| − | Manson: A fight breaks out | + | |
Dick: That girl is tied up at the end and crying. | Dick: That girl is tied up at the end and crying. | ||
| + | Manson: When I showed it to my manager he said "Please hide the masters. If anyone sees this | ||
| + | you'll go to jail and your career will be over. It was called ''Groupie''. | ||
| − | + | == References == | |
| − | + | <references/> | |
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| + | [[Category:Unreleased works]] | ||
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| Video by Marilyn Manson | ||
| Recorded | Unconfirmed night between 1996 and 1998 | |
| Genre | Psychological thriller | |
| Director | Marilyn Manson, Joseph Cultice | |
| IMDb |  View at IMDb |
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Groupie is the earliest known example of Marilyn Manson's foray into filmmaking. An independent film shot by camcorder one night during the Antichrist Superstar era of 1996 through 1998, Groupie was shelved by Manson at the insistence of manager Tony Ciulla, who deemed its content so disturbing it would end Manson's music career and result in his conviction. While it has gone unreleased, it was included in a shorthand list of Manson's directorial efforts, in a press kit promoting the film Phantasmagoria: The Visions of Lewis Carroll.[1]
Plot[edit]
Groupie centers around an actual party held at Marilyn Manson's home. Manson informs his guests that a girl will be attending who they will be videotaping. Before this girl's arrival, Manson is allegedly shown fellating Twiggy. When the titular guest arrives, she bestows Manson with a piece of art and is invited inside. From here, she is ushered into various acts which include sharing a glass of urine with Stephen Bier, who "poured" the glass himself, and being tied and taunted by Manson, the latter scene taking place towards the end of the film.
Production[edit]
Details about the Groupie project are vague, however Manson and Andy Dick had a relatively tight-lipped discussion about the film on the television program Dinner for Five in 2002. Prior to this Manson had simply alluded to filming a video so shocking it could never be made public, however during this particular interview Manson and Dick shared some insight into the severity of its content.
During one night between 1996 and 1998, Manson held a party at his home. Known attendants include Marilyn Manson members Twiggy and Stephen Bier, then performing as Madonna Wayne Gacy. Early in the evening, Manson announced that a girl would be arriving and that they would be filming her, in spite of his sentiment that "something's probably gonna go wrong." Upon her arrival, the girl presents Manson with an art gift, after which Manson began to have her take part in increasingly perverse acts, including drinking Bier's urine from a wine glass. While other acts are scarcely detailed, they are known to include a gun, bloodshed and the girl being tied and restrained while crying. This activity is documented on a portable camera, leading Manson to compare its approach to The Blair Witch Project, and has said of the evening that "It gets really scary because not everyone in the room knew if it was a joke or not."
Manson intended to make Groupie available through home video, however upon reviewing the footage, manager Tony Ciulla advised him to "Please hide the masters. If anyone sees this you'll go to jail and your career will be over." Despite this, a snippet of footage from Groupie was inserted into the final moments of Marilyn Manson's 1998 video album Dead to the World, showing an obscured view of the girl sitting in a chair crying and screaming as Manson taunts her offscreen, forcing her to recite the phrase "Jesus loves me because the Bible tells me so".
The exact circumstances of the film are unclear. Manson notes his party guests were made uncomfortable by the activity, as they were uncertain if it had genuinely escalated in perversion or if had been planned in advance. During Manson and Dick's discussion about Groupie, Manson seems to assert that while his party was authentic, the girl he invited "was portraying a youngster," implying that some degree of acting was involved and that she wasn't being entirely manipulated.
Reception[edit]
Only three people are confirmed to have viewed Groupie, Marilyn Manson, Tony Ciulla and Andy Dick. Ciulla's stance on the film is unknown, however he allegedly urged Manson to keep anyone from watching it out of fear that it would be used to convict him. Dick has said of the footage that the participants were having fun despite the subject matter, but he did not deny being disturbed.
Dinner for Five discussion[edit]
Manson: I made this movie that I had intentions to put on my home video not thinking that it
would offend. It was at a [real] party at my house. I said "A girl is gonna show up and
something's probably gonna go wrong, so just roll with it."
Dick: [Manson] sucked Twiggy's cock, but he put a rubber on it.
Manson: It was flaccid.
Dick: So they're having fun, sucking each other's cocks and ding dong, who's at the door? It's
a fan. She says "I just knew that you lived here, and I made this piece of art for you.
Will you take it?" and [Manson is] like "Sure, why don't you come in?" She must have been
18, literally.
Manson: Less. More. Well, she was portraying a youngster. You're making this seem like a
pornographic film.
Dick: No, it wasn't. People were having fun, it was a party. It honestly looked like someone
left the camera on 'cause at times it looked like you just set it there.
Dick: This girl shows up and he lures her in and she's excited to be there. She's like "I'm
such a big fan, I'm really excited, then slowly, over time, he starts to get her to do
certain things and those are the things that maybe we shouldn't discuss.
Manson: It gets really scary because not everyone in the room knew if it was a joke or not.
Dick: He tries to get her to drink Pogo's urine. He pees in the wine glass and she's like "You
do it," and he drinks it, and then she finally does.
Manson: Then I introduce a gun into the situation and it becomes really scary.
Dick: I was disturbed. People started bleeding at some point and not good things are happening.
Manson: A fight breaks out.
Dick: That girl is tied up at the end and crying.
Manson: When I showed it to my manager he said "Please hide the masters. If anyone sees this
you'll go to jail and your career will be over. It was called Groupie.
References[edit]
- ↑ Phantasmagoria: The Visions of Lewis Carroll press kit. Wild Bunch. February 12, 2006.
